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[–] 155 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Just to spell out what many comments already hint at:

There are no US-made routers. "Made" here refers to companies, not where the stuff is actually made. Even if the plastic housing happened to be made in the US for one or two products, the components are still from far away.

Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.

This is corruption pure and simple.

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    [–] 129 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Are there actually any US-made consumer network routers on the market? All the brands I can think of are pretty much made in Asia these days.

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  • [–] 60 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ubiquiti is an American company, not sure if the tech is really MADE here though, seems like that'd be weird considering the components are all made outside the US anyway.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ubiquiti may not be considered consumer with regards to this, but it’s pretty unclear so it’s a bit of a gamble.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, it's all so ambiguous. I switched to them because they were better made and cheaper than the Netgear I was forced to replace after 1.5yrs. It'll be interesting to see where this ends up. Probably lawsuits. Glad I'm already set for a while, I guess.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Functionally no. This will force most users to use whatever their ISP provides.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Those can’t be imported either lol. This ruling will never stand up in court.

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  • [–] 104 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's incredible how every day in this country continues to be unimaginably dumber than the last.

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  • [–] 102 points 5 months ago

    The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don't have an approved router installed.

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  • [–] 96 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That's the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.

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    [–] 93 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.

    Seriously though, they'll block yalls internet access in a few years.

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    [–] 89 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.

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    [–] 72 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So... all network routers?

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    [–] 67 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Great, so zero network products can be sold, and we have to dispose of any existing ones in a couple years.

    I guess the US won't have any Internet anymore.

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    [–] 58 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I’m so glad they’re focusing on this instead of how shitty and expensive our home internet is.

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    [–] 58 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Something is happening, first the age verification and now this. They're setting up to verify identities online I presume?

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    I'm more wondering that if all consumer network routers have to be made in the US (e.g. forcing people to use the ISP-provided one), it makes it easier for them to utilise the ISP's backdoors for monitoring of people's LANs. If that's actually the goal, then the next logical step would be to deny anyone access using a third-party router or ISP-provided router that didn't have their firmware.

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    [–] 48 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    What's the play here? Something isn't making sense.

    With the Trump administration, the only thing you can be sure of is that the stated reason isn't the real reason. Somebody's got to be getting a payday from this.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    It’s a money grab. About the only networking companies that build in the us are like Cisco and juniper. Which odds are, you aren’t running at home. This is without a doubt a money grab. Google and Amazon will gladly pay the exemption fee. Some others will as well. This isn’t about security or “pay American”. It’s a money grab.

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    [–] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?

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    [–] 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.

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    [–] 35 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    This is a good time to remind everyone to avoid any of the major manufacturers. Get pre-built OPEN boxes and install OpenWRT. You performance and capabilities will beat the shit out of any of the other stuff anyway.

    Sadly, there were a few great foreign-made manufacturers who had great hardware for this. Technically they aren't "network routers" and just blank hardware, so probably don't fall into the idiotic language put forth here.

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    [–] 35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    This is so stupid that I can barely even think of a nefarious reason to do it.

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    [–] 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You can install router software on any computer

    https://opnsense.org/

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    [–] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.

    How is this going to work?

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago*

    If we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don't, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.

    We've seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Protectionism at its finest! What should the rest of the world make of US consumer routers? All good? No backdoors letting friendly people in?

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    What the fuck are they doing?

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    All the thrift stores here throw them away. I've got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they'd come after them eventually.

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    [–] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Quick question. What would happen if China decided to get angry about this, and stop selling 100% of their goods to American companies unless they allowed 100% of their goods to be sold without restrictions?

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk

    So this is horseshit, right?

    First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.

    Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers' security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?

    Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS's. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse ("protect the kiddies", "law enforcement", "national security", "terrorism"), force them to not tell the public, and then "secretly" monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.

    Fuck these fascists.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell

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