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[–] 110 points 2 years ago (23 children)

They also reduce noise pollution

And reduce the propping of petrostates

And can be fueled, in theory, almost anywhere there are buildings (including your own home/work)

And that fuel can also, in theory, come from fully sustainable sources

They also help normalise the usage of renewable energy (this is a factor that shouldn't be overlooked, imo)

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    They also do all those things much worse than transitioning away from car dependence.

    And they give people an excuse to not move away from cars.

    And they are so much heavier and deadlier than ICE cars at the same speed that they may actually actively discourage other modes, like walking or cycling.

    edit: Look, I think every car should be an EV. And I also think there shouldn't be many cars because cars still suck. Both can be true.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Since much of the noise pollution from cars comes from tire noise, I doubt EVs will reduce noise pollution that signifcantly.

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Ugh guys come on, don’t let perfect be the enemy of good (or better). We cannot snap our fingers and fix everything. Incremental steps are necessary.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Local commuter rail, walkable cities, and nationwide high speed rail are all necessary to completely eliminate 90% of individual car ownership. We should be advocating for these systems of convenience which will make car ownership obsolete while incentivizing EVs while the infrastructure is built up, not demonizing EVs and making them appear as useless and a waste of time for helping fight climate change. Plus we need EV utility vehicles and trucks for professionals who need them to do their job.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

    Incremental steps are not personal EVs. They are diesel and electric buses. EVs eliminate 1 problem (tailpipe emissions) while creating 2 more (battery manufacturing, increased vehicle weight making road and tire wear worse, and making them more deadly - there's others, take your pick) and not addressing the other hundred problems with car dependence.

    Buses use the same infrastructure as cars. Bus stops are stupid cheap in comparison to anything else. And then, bus lanes can be implemented to prioritise buses and keep them from getting stuck in traffic.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    The number one (by a long way) selling vehicle in the US is a massively over sized truck. Designed to be so heavy to avoid falling under emissions laws.

    There is no electric vehicle that comes even close to that. You want those people interested in electric cars. They don't give a single fuck about what your think about buses and nothing you will ever do in your lifetime will change that. Ever.

    Getting people into EVs is an across the board incremental improvement in the exact definition of the word.

    You're right about the massive benefits of transit and trains in particular would be so amazing.. but none of the people we want getting out of F150s give a single shit.

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago* (32 children)

    This is pure oil company propaganda. I hate cars with a passion and want a car free society. We will get there but it will take time. But We need to get rid of gas NOW.

    Anyone who spews this kind of filth is literally the enemy.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 2 years ago* (20 children)

    I really do not think so. Oil propaganda would support cars rather than be against it. I'm quite sure this is directed at the people who think EVs are a full solution.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    This comic ISN'T anti-car, it's anti-electric car.

    Absolutely oil propaganda.

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Climate change is a big enough problem that it is worth prioritizing.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Can I just have good public transit, or safe bike lanes, I don't even want a car.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (63 children)

    EVs also greatly reduce brake dust, as most use regenerative braking under normal circumstances, leaving traditional braking for hard (emergency) braking.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    I'm not unsympathetic to the fuckcars movement, but I have to ask about the road salt. When it snows and the roads are icy, what's supposed to happen? What's the plan for getting around, for getting to work, for getting to school? We can be using beet juice and other less impactful de-icing brines, but you still need the cars to get people where they need to go. Is the argument that people should stay home? Are we suggesting that colder climates just shouldn't be populated? Busses need the road salt, too. Trains and trolleys de-ice their tracks. Even urban areas where you can walk everywhere need to salt the sidewalks.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    As much as I agree, these are different things. EVs are fixing greenhouse gases. While the others are also bad things, they aren't really global climate changers.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    Except EVs still have a significant carbon footprint from their manufacture. So do train cars and buses, but to transport everyone in cars instead of public transportation would require orders of magnitude more materials, and therefore a much higher carbon footprint. Not to mention the poor land use that car dependency causes, which both leads to deforestation and impedes reforestation, which is a further climate change contributor.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Trams, trains, bikes. The Holy Trinity of sustainable transport that must be pursued instead of EVs for an actually livable planet.

    Death to the car. Death to America.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I live in a city with about 2 million people. It has major sprawl and lots of guys with big trucks to compensate for little personality. The city has a brown haze floating over it that is a result of tailpipe emissions.

    EVs may not be the solution to climate change, but they are helping my local area with air pollution. Well... they would if they were more popular. Every time a local buys an EV, ten more prosthetic penises are sold.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    EVs may even lead to increased tire debris.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I just wanna say I appreciate people here making intelligent, good faith arguments on both sides without resorting to black or white thinking or getting too aggressive/ abusive.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    I love the childish smug energy of this comic which simultaneously suggests merely mitigating a serious problem is inadequate and also provides no proposed solution whatsoever. If solutions which have compromise because they are rooted in reality are a problem, I suggest finding a way to live in a world of fantasy.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    I’m tired of people looking at me crazy because I keep suggesting we need better public transportation rather than fucking electric cars. We are 100% going to replace every car in America with an E.V before we ever expand access to public transportation. And we will do this because the car manufacturers stock prices will go up if we do.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    EVs also help with the brake disc "dust" since a lot of the braking is "regenerative breaking" done by the electric motor and does not use the brake pads at all. They require less maintenance, and have fewer parts in them, so fewer manufacturing materials. With very few exceptions, they are also smaller vehicles with more safety features which should result in fewer pedestrian casualties.

    Obviously having no vehicles at all would be even better at solving these issues, but that's not practical for our current reality. Maybe in 100 years.

    I will say that "autopilot" features should absolutely be outlawed and cause nothing but trouble to everyone.

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