Kegsbreath feeling so smug killing more unarmed and defenseless people in boats.
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Wow that's fucked up on multiple levels.
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to attack a literally defenseless warship ... Could you not have, you know, boarded it instead? Forced it to surrender? Feels like at that point you can just threaten to do what you did and they would have to comply.
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if you've seen the released periscope footage of the attack, and realize that that explosion was fully from the torpedo and not from an ammo store blowing, it makes it look that much more like an intentional massacre. Is there really no smaller munition on board that sub that can be used to disable a defenseless target?
- this is all so fucking dumb
- its… uh… a frigate. Frankly, I doubt the claim that it was unarmed. You can look up the weapon systems specs on that page trivially. It is also armed with torpedoes, and supported an ASW chopper, and so conceivably could pose a threat to a submarine if it detected one. You can see the box launchers for ASMs on the deck, for fuck’s sake.
- in a context where country A is engaging in open hostilities with country B, military vessels of the opposing side are fair game in international waters.
- in terms of picking up survivors: extremely shitty, yes, but… what is a submarine supposed to do? They’re notoriously cramped already. Not to mention, taking on a bunch of enemy survivors onto a highly classified submarine that has a somewhat smaller crew compliment than the target vessel doesn’t sound like a thing any sane sub commander would do.
Disarmed doesn't mean 'it has no weapons' it means weapons were unloaded or otherwise 'disarmed'.
Wtf are you even saying?
Point three is just you freestyling thoughts now. I just read of the Laconia Incendent and besides how fucking grim all of this is, ya, there actually are more honorable procedures and lengths to go through, other than straight up and purposely killing everyone. But that‘s just not how the US rolls.
I might be missing something big, but this doesn't seem like a degenerate course of action. I think this mainly because
- It is a military vessel and thus has no reasonable protection based upon it being "peaceful"
- The unfortunate reality is that the US is at war again in the middle east, and boats get blown up in war, especially when the US government has declared that destruction of Iranian navy is one of their goals.
Overall, I could understand the condemnation for the attacks from the perspective that the US shouldn't be fighting an illegal war, but if you concede that point, the attack of an enemy military vessel irregardless of its current capabilities is a fully ok course of action.
Sounds like the perfect moment to attack it.
I think it's illegal to do so without officially declaring war first but whatever international law is fake anyway
Declarations of war are effectively obsolete. It’d come down to the situation and haggling about proportionality. It was unquestionably a valid military target, and Iran’s specific threats against international shipping may have opened the door to preemptive action against their naval assets.
You gotta be a gold medalist in mental gymnastics to view the US bombings as legitimate preemptive action.
"We knew Iran would respond to our bombings, so we preempted their response to our preemptive bombing with a prepreemptive bombing."
It seems a lot of international law is obsolete then, if a threat alone can be justification for a preemptive attack.
how is a ship, made for war, defenceless?
like was their Indian exercise just staring at Desi tits?
I'm not about fluffing up our shit over here, it's aweful, but how the fuck is a ship made for war on the ocean, defenceless.
Uhhh, don’t load it with munitions?
Have a civilian crew?
Come on, I’m sure there’s a few other ways.
why and how would a civilian crew man a war ship? I've never heard of that unless the ship was retired? what flags were hoisted?
I served for a number of years and parades or weekends or not, we still had to pretend sadam hussein was gonna scud us.
out of the years, other than maybe dry docked, there were probably 0 times we were defenseless.
update woops forgot about the 1 time when fire cut off power I guess...
still we would have gone down with a fight.
Why not? If it’s just being demoed off, why would it need a full military crew? Explain, balls in your court mate.
Also just a short few google searches brought me to This, sounds like it’s not uncommon to have civilian crews to man warships. What if it’s just being moved for service? Need to get a full military crew and load it up with munitions? Fucking lol, as if.
Just because you served, doesn’t mean you know absolutely everything about how the navy/military operates. That’s just an asinine view lmfao.
if it's being demoed it wouldn't be flying any flags. it wasn't being demoed though, it supposedly just participated in an Indian exercise or were there by invite.
out of ammunition for a warship and being piloted by civilians, and just partipated in a multinational exercise?
what?
link is fine, contractors and groups are on ships all the time. not my point. point there would be if it's piloted /commanded by civilians, it wouldn't be considered an unarmed Iranian warship anymore. it would just be a civilian vessel.
i don't know everything nor do I wanna know. but I know if ships are sailing waters with comms live, with markings and flags flying what the US deems adversary, especially lately, well they're military targets.
it's a bad move on the US though but given the shit show lately, it seems to be ...on par.
By not having ammunition, just like it says in the title. Also it was returning from the exercise, so even if they had ammunition for some live fire exercise, they would've already used that.
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