Important progress has been made regarding bringing MLS end-to-end encryption to the ActivityPub protocol, with developers already building implementations and providing feedback to a future version of the protocol spec.

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[–] 92 points 7 months ago (51 children)

I thought we already had Matrix

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  • [–] 96 points 7 months ago (28 children)

    We do.

    This is for activitypub DMs.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (27 children)

    That's what I mean.
    The headline is a lie.

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  • [–] 85 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn't mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I heard this is the line for tacos.

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  • [+] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)
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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    ActivityPub isn't the only way to federate.
    Matrix is federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software. That's what federation is. Different servers agreeing on how to communicate with each other.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION!

    OOOOH YEAH, SEE I'M ALWAYS THINKIN THINKIN THINKIN, YEAH. AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE DO THING IN THE RING! DIG IT! THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR, FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY! OOOOOOH YEEEAAAHHHH!!!!

    Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers

    ELIZABETH!!!

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Well now this sounds interesting. And I assume it's open source?

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  • [–] 57 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

    this is misleading and sensationalistic. if emissary implements e2ee, it's not "e2ee for the fediverse", it's " e2ee for emissary users". did mastodon talk about e2ee? did lemmy?

    also the MLS-in-activitypub draft proposes for trusted key exchange either " trust the server" (lmao), use a centralized key authority (wow) or have users manually verify their keys out of band (so basically use matrix to assure your chat is encrypted). source: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-e2ee/architectural-variations.html#validating-end-to-end-encryption

    fedi devs need to stop clickbaiting, and fedi users should learn a bit more about their protocol to avoid getting misled this way

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I felt like a 90 year old grandma reading this.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    You and me both.

    But after pondering the orbs for a minute I think they're saying, that it's just Emissary trying to get E2EE working and not Fediverse as a whole.

    And they follow with some objection with the proposed draft. I can only comment on the 3rd one, it basically mean you need other channel of communication to manually compare fingerprint (i.e via Matrix/Signal) to make sure your activities on Emissary is actually encrypted, maybe lol.

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    [–] 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I have a bit of an issue with the title, considering federated end to end encrypted messaging has existed since, at the latest, 1991.

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    [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    MLS will eventually be included in all messengers.

    It was initially introduced by Wire as an RFC, but they fumbled the federation by making it an enterprise only feature. Because of that, other messengers will do the federating for them. iMessage, Google Messenger, Matrix, and Germ DM (Bluesky) do or partly have it implemented.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    We should always have more alternatives to chose from - good to see so many players.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago*

    Unable to decrypt this message

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    [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Finally I can discuss my scat fetish with my fellow scat enthusiasts away from the prying eyes of the NSA!

    Nyeh-heh heh heeh!

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    @benpate@mastodon.technology that's amazingly quick work after just under four weeks. I'm looking forward to the result.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Why?

    What benefit does this have over Signal/Matrix?

    The article just says "improvements".

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    One benefit is that Signal controls all the infrastructure and some people do not like that. Sure, you could also spin up a Matrix home server, but that isn’t an ideal solution for everyone either. Some people want to do messaging via their existing ActivityPub infrastructure and that’s OK.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Major League Soccer messaging? Let’s goooo

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    But, what about Session? It's decentralized, E2EE, uses Lokinet, seems pretty solid, no?

    No phone, email, or other info needed to sign up

    https://getsession.org/

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Let's gooooooo

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