U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib's defense of a phrase used by Palestinians in connection with the war between Israel and Hamas is drawing condemnation from critics, including two prominent fellow Democrats — Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin.

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[–] 12 points 2 years ago

Fuck Zionists.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    How is it so hard to understand that "from the river to the sea" is about a one state solution? A state for jews and arabs to live in peace like they did before british colonization. Nobody wants to read shit from palestinian resistance scholars or fighters, they just want to project religious extremism when in reality Israel is a religious ethnostate

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago

    That's an old terrorist chant, like PLO old.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (27 children)

    There are only two ways to interpret the sentence "from river to sea", and one is a call for genocide, and the other is a pipe dream. The only scenario that ends without a genocide in some form is the two states solution.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You could have a genocide-free one-state solution. Many states have both Jewish and Islamic citizens. It's not that hard.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, and that's the second solution that was mentioned. One secular and fair state.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    If the colonists and the current troop movements in Gaza prove anything, the two state solution have been delusional for the last 20 years.

    What it does, however is deny the statement "I believe that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state", which is supposedly antisemitic.

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  • [+] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't think that would work much better to be honest, because the groups would still hold resentment against eachother for a long time after. I fear it'd end up like what often has happened in post-colonial states with borders arbitrarily drawn by outside powers, where power struggles follow ethnic lines and frequent civil wars involve genocide. If an outside power even could impose that (and one should consider that Israel is almost definitely nuclear armed), then that power could also set up two or more states and enforce a buffer between them, or with power sufficiently balanced between the two sides as to deter full scale war.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The day the Palestinians puts down their weapons will be the day peace begins. The day Israel puts down their weapons will be the day all Israelis are massacred. That is the difference between the two sides - coexistence vs "from the river to the sea"

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    The west bank Palestinians didn't seem to be armed please do explain why there are colonists and checkpoints popping up all over their land?

    Peace will not come from israel, only destruction. They are Nazi's expanding their lebensraum for their "chosen people".

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    yeah nobody calls to "step in and end" anything for a sovereign country. Good luck trying to "step in" to China, Russia etc. Same for Israel. If you want to dissolve the military then you are welcome to go over there and give it a try.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    As a Jewish person who was able to escape antisemitism in Russia in the 1980s, the state of Israel should not exist. There shouldn’t be a Jewish state.It was taken away from Palestinians and given to Jews in order to keep Jewish refugees from ending up in England and the U.S. Its birth is based on antisemitism and is perpetuated on antisemitism. U.S. Christians are trying to fulfill the end times prophecy. They want us to be sacrificial lambs.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Two state solution also involves either genocide or pipe dream? There are so many Israel-backed settlers in Palestine.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    Two State solution is a dead joke. The only way forward is a one state solution and Truth and Reconciliation tribunals, similar to SA. Israel needs to return to being Palestine, and needs to be a non secular state.

    Anything else and the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel will continue.

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  • [+] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Maybe they were thinking "secular" and "non-religious" when typing and ended up with "non-secular"

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The day the Palestinians puts down their weapons will be the day peace begins. The day Israel puts down their weapons will be the day all Israelis are massacred. That is the difference between the two sides - coexistence vs “from the river to the sea”. Don't forget who started this war. Jews were already genocided once, so STFU while we defend ourselves after this latest attempt. Nobody else will protect us, so we're doing it ourselves.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "From the River to the Sea!" comes from the same mindset as "Blood and Soil". They're both abhorrent and neither should be used.

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