There were once so many children at Frisha Moore’s Elk Grove preschool that families filled up the waitlist. Now, one of her playgrounds and two classrooms sit empty because one key group of kids has stopped coming.

Dozens of families in recent years have opted not to enroll their 4-year-olds at Moore Learning Preschool & Child Care Center, she said. Instead, they’re putting their children in transitional kindergarten, California’s new public pre-kindergarten grade.

Even though she provides a full day of preschool, compared with transitional kindergarten that lasts only about 3.5 hours, Moore can’t compete: Public school is free. She hasn’t broken even in months and thinks about closing the preschool, “every single day.” That would remove 91 licensed child care spots from the county, including 20 for children under age 2, for whom child care options are particularly scarce.

Transitional kindergarten’s expansion is one of Gov. Gavin Newsom’s signature educational achievements and a key part of his legacy on how California cares for its youngest residents.

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[–] 167 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

Okay. And? Struggling to see the issue. I'm sure they're qualified to work for the state if they can't compete. They make it sound like this is a problem.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The real issue is that kids have to be at least four years old for the pre-K program, so kids younger than that have limited options if the local daycare closes. Babies and kids who aren't potty-trained are more expensive to care for than older kids, so those parents may not be able to afford care now.

    I still think the expanded pre-K is a good idea, but it would be nice if the state offered daycare subsidies or something to support the younger kids who still need daycare.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Decent point. But yeah just expand community care etc. This is one of the easiest things to do with the biggest positive community and social benefit. It's should be a no-brainer. Sadly, too many people have something worse than no brains. Some sort of moldy diseased mush that makes them think, exploitative rent seeking behavior in childcare is a good idea. Rather than quality and sustainability.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, expanding social services for child care is almost always the right move, especially if you want people to even consider having kids. No program is perfect, and putting daycares out of business is unfortunate, but you can solve each problem as it comes up. The frustrating thing is that political opponents will just shit all over something like this and argue that it should be cancelled entirely.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    The UK system is a means tested credits for families that private companies can claim.

    Still only for a narrow age range, and limited hours, but means they don’t have to compete with “free”, and families that need more hours can get it while also getting the subsidy.

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    [–] 104 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Capitalist crying crocodile tears because they can't make money off of children anymore.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    More petit bourgeois whining if you ask me. Adapt your model, or close your doors and figure something else out.

    Free education and care for all children vs. crippling childcare costs for a few is more than a fair trade off imo.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Free education and care for all children

    … is not happening right now in California. Kids under 4 aren’t eligible, and are also more expensive to find daycare options for. That’s not going to get fixed by driving a bunch of daycares out of business.

    The solution is obviously more state run care for younger children, but that’s not what exists right now. So it’s going to be a problem if a solution isn’t passed before these daycares start closing down.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Why don't the daycares shift focus to the younger kids? The older kids are going to tk and the daycares are not going to be able to compete for that demographic. Shift your services or collapse. There isn't going to be a daycare bailout.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    If the other options don’t exist then how are the private daycares struggling to fill the classrooms? People need their kids taken care of, I doubt anyone is prematurely taking their kids out of private daycare.

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  • [–] 71 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Why is AP trying to spin this negatively?

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Should you be able to pump your own gas? Experts in the gas industry say it is "too dangerous..."

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    So this was a couple of years ago I was in western Nebraska traveling up to deadwood south Dakota. Stopped at a gas station, I see a car with Oregon plates and the guy acting clueless as to what to do.

    I get out and he asks me what he needs to do. I was sort of dumbfounded that this guy didn't know how to pump gas and making a trip from oregon. I showed him.

    A few months later I read it was required in Oregon for attendants to pump gas and people in general didn't and that most of the public didn't know how.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    How did he make it to Nebraska without filling up at least once before that?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    May have unironically gotten lucky with finding the stations with attendants who pumped gas and having really good fuel efficiency. I once stopped at a station I believe in elk bend where the dude did it for me and my Truck can get from Vegas to blackjack on a single tank if I'm feeling stupid. Mind you old Toyotas are most certainly in possession of a machine spirit so it may vary.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Because it is a corporate media outlet. And like every corporate media outlet in existence ever, they will always side with capitalism.

    P. S. Despite this somewhat charitable program by Newsom, he is a true Reagan democrat. And I will never, and I mean absolutely fucking never, vote for him as president.

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  • [–] 63 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Good. Fuck em. I was able to have my daughter do TK for free and it was phenomenal. Private preschool costs more than rent. Maybe they should try reducing their prices.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago* (13 children)

    public school is free

    free at point of use. tax (rightfully) pays for it.

    private daycare is a racket

    kids under two

    downsize and focus on that underserved area? thats what the fReE mArKeT wants

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    free at point of use. tax (rightfully) pays for it.

    What is this American obsession with pointing this out? Yes, free at the point-of-use. That's what "free" means in this context. What else could it possibly mean?

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Good. I am so tired of people taking advantage of the critical needs of humanity and getting upset when we take the profits away from them.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    Do preschools exist to care for children, or make money? You have to pick one or the other.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh good, they can sell their businesses to the government at a loss and those can be folded into the public system. Some services are too critical to be privatized, and it's about fucking time people remembered this. Not everything can be managed on a profit margin.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Do you want to see Elon lose his shit. If Democrats run on mass free public transportation he will. He despises it. He got hundreds of millions from blue cities in exchange for his hyper loop system that he's done nothing with. Those cities should be demanding their money back. Dems need to run on this

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    I cal bullshit.

    Preschools and daycares always have a waiting list. Especially because "she provides a full day of preschool, compared with transitional kindergarten that lasts only about 3.5 hours" Call them and ask for a place for your 3 year old. I bet theres a waitlist. This is BS capitalist propaganda

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    This is definitely something that should be socialized.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    Oh is your business model garbage? Sucks for you

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    In my country kindergartens from 3 yo and up is free, and in some cities even daycares from 1 yo are heavily subsidized, yet private ones are still full and you need to book with year in advance paying non refundable deposits. Maybe she's overcharging?

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    [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Sounds like a good opportunity to move from daycare to being a preschool teacher. They already have the experience.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Boo fucking hoo.

    I understand that it sucks to have your business ripped out from under you, in a way, by a public option, but people struggle to afford child care. This is necessary and good for average Americans.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago*

    Putting overpriced private daycares out of business is the entire point of providing free pre-school, no?

    Like, "oh no, we can't rip people off anymore"

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    That's a load of bullshit.

    They can't maintain their egregious profit margins.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Why are they only 3.5 hours?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    They're fishing for more state subsidy money.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    BS story, but there are indeed issues. I've got a 2 and 3 year old myself, and speaking from experience, it's a mess that'll put me in the red until my 3yo is 5, eating into my savings.

    As mentioned, private is still the primary option for kids under 4 but we even have a lovely local program that can start at 3 if you're poor enough (and in CA, that's around 100k/yr lol). The problem is the time. They're like 3 hour programs, some full time that's still only 6 hour. With two working parents with minimal family support, that's still a non starter if they can't stay past 3pm.

    At least my private daycare is cheap-ish at the cost of religious brainwashing, and that hasn't seemed to matter for a kid like mine. Standards still keep them from, y'know, beating kids and whatnot.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    California didn't have already state funded public pre-k?

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Well, womp womp I guess.

    But also, am I the only one surprised, that Gavin Newsom of all people did this? The guy that had Steve Bannon on his podcast just to congratulate him on his strategy? The guy that he would definetly veto the idea of his own party to introduce a minor wealth tax?

    Perhaps this is an incincere attempt at coasting of Mamdanis polulartiy? In any case, I will continue to despise the guy, because I refuse to believe that this decision was based on any real beliefs on his part.

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