Your post was removed because it wasn’t about any self-hosted applications, services, or infrastructure. Instead, you were complaining about the customer support of a VPS provider.

A case could be made that Rule 7 should have been cited, instead of Rule 3.

In my opinion, it's (the service) self-hosted and not home-hosted. Hardware is just a platform.

Well, if you want to stir the pot, there are heavy discussions on both sides of the fence. Personally, I don't get all pedantic about it. To quote Ice Cube; 'Do your thing man, fuck what they looking at'.

As far as your post being deleted, it seems to be arbitrary at times and rather silent when courteous inquiries are made.

Honestly, do we need a legal definition of what "self hosting" is and what isn't?

I didn't see your post and in the modlog I can only see it's title: "Apparently I'm into Web3, says Netcup" [ed: Netcup is a hosting company].

If your post was discussing stuff specific to your hosting provider, then the mods did well in removing it - if you were talking about things that would have interested this community, then they have probably been too rash in removing the post.

I would be inclined to think that if you are just renting a machine or VM and all the configuration/maintenance is your problem it would be close enough. But I am not a mod and don't want to be.

In my opinion, "self-hosted" means that you host it yourself.

Running services in the cloud (i.e. someone else is hosting it) isn't the same as hosting it yourself.

Just have fun, though. Not everyone is in a situation where they can self host. Just do what works for you.

Technically no, because it's cloud-hosted infrastructure. Businesses usually call this IaaS, Infrastructure as a Service.

But it's still a good way to build your own services that you can possibly trust more than public cloud services. IMO posts about setting up your own trusted services could be valuable content for the community even if you set it up on the cloud.

"The cloud" is somebody else's computer. Somebody else leases you the space and compute, somebody else can turn the physical machine off or terminate your access to their service. Self-hosting is about removing as many somebody-elses as possible (you're still on the hook for stuff like power and an ISP, though a lot of self-hosted stuff is also designed to function purely offline so it's just power for that stuff).

If you control the backend, it's self hosted. Vast majority of people use VPS's for many hosting purposes. Stupid semantic applixation of rule 3.

Sounds like a candidate for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

To me personally self hosted means the only way the service / files can be taken from me, is to physically enter my house and take the HD

Anything shy of that I don't fully consider self hosting.

Not because I'm gate keeping, it's just that I don't trust any corporation, and the minute they are involved, enschitification is inevitable

I'm not a mod but, to me I see self hosting as maintaining your own setup. If it's hosted in a cloud you still are maintaining the setup you are just offloading hardware responsibilities to someone else.

It's not like you are signing up for google photos and then saying "yo guys I have my own photos self hosted", you still are putting the pain and suffering into making it work, you just aren't worrying about the hardware or network requirements (outside of security)

Being said, some people firmly see ""self-hosting" as you buy the parts, install and configure everything and it's coming out of your house.

It's a sticky situation, imo that type of ideology also throws any type of using a DNS/DDOS host out the window as well., but again YMMV depending on who you ask.

I definitly think if you are installing -> configuring -> maintaining and then -> using. you meet the definition of self hosting.

edit: Being said, looking at the log, your deleted post was the one about your current external host provider dropping you due to heavy load(they were eco friendly) right? I can kind of see why they felt this didn't meet the environment of the community. But i see both sides of the argument.

Is it self hosting? No.

Does it matter? Idk.

By definition, the cloud provider is hosting you. It's not about being good or bad it just is. If the mod deemed your question to be irrelevant to the community then idk maybe it does matter in this context.

I'd argue that it's self managed but not self hosted, it's still running on somone elses computer and they ultimately control what you can and cant do with it. The distinction is murky though because a lot of the discussion here is about managing services rather than the hosting infrastructure (though of course there is some of that too).

i think that would be called remote hosting or cloud hosting? self-hosting is where you host the services your self, without third party hardware or systems.

I think it considered self-hosting as in self-hosting services/software but not the hardware.

I'm currently using a VPS for multiple reasons. Hardware is kinda expensive where I'm currently living. And due to CGNAT I would need to setup a tailscale node or VPN etc somewhere else anyway. Also home internet isn't reliable at all here and I may need to access my stuff when outside and regardless if my internet is acting up or there's a blackout.

Although in the future I'm planning on migrating to a dual setup where my core server lives at home and the public front (along with some smaller services and apps) is on a VPS.

Love to see the people in here gatekeeping "selfhosting" 🙄

We're all just out here trying to escape big tech. A docker container doesn't suddenly stop becoming "selfhosted" once the hard drive it's on crosses a property line. Who the hell cares, seriously.

To me, it is not. If the internet or anything else goes down you lose all access. You are not hosting your services, so claiming to be SELF-hosting is not really accurate.

Furthermore, in the phylosophical aspect, you depend on a private company for all your infrastructure and are not doing anything against the centralization of the internet. To me, this is one of the core reasons I self-host. Maybe we need to make new terms for this, but allowing anything under the corporate cloud umbrella to be called SELF-hosting seems bad to me.

It is selfhosting when YOU set it up and CONTROL it.

Doesn't matter what machine it runs on. Not everyone has the option of running a machine at home.

IDK what's happened to you or why your post got removed.

Obviously "self-hosting" as a term is broad and subjective.

IMO this community discusses hosting services in an environment where you're responsible for installing, configuring, and maintaining your own stuff.

A purist might argue that self-hosting doesn't include services residing on a VPS, but what's the point of excluding those discussions from this community? In practical terms the nature of the activity is the same.

I can see it both ways.