When Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web in 1989, his vision was clear: it would used by everyone, filled with everything and, crucially, it would be free.

Today, the British computer scientist’s creation is regularly used by 5.5 billion people – and bears little resemblance to the democratic force for humanity he intended.

In Australia to promote his book, This is for Everyone, Berners-Lee is reflecting on what his invention has become – and how he and a community of collaborators can put the power of the web back into the hands of its users.

Berners-Lee describes his excitement in the earliest years of the web as “uncontainable”. Approaching 40 years on, a rebellion is brewing among himself and a community of like-minded activists and developers.

“We can fix the internet … It’s not too late,” he writes, describing his mission as a “battle for the soul of the web”.

Berners-Lee traces the first corruption of the web to the commercialisation of the domain name system, which he believes would have served web users better had it been managed by a nonprofit in the public interest. Instead, he says, in the 1990s the .com space was pounced on by “charlatans”.

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[–] 116 points 8 months ago (38 children)

They kind of fix this in the lede, but dude did not invent the internet, he invented the World Wide Web. The internet is a superset of a whole bunch of things that includes the World Wide Web, but dude wasn’t out there inventing TCP/IP and routers and whatnot.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (29 children)

    You're thinking of the ARPANET. When people think of the Internet. They think of the network that Gore pushed hard to open to the public. And the interface Lee designed. Gopher is having a small resurgence, and Gemini exists. But effectively what the average person sees as the Internet is their child philosophically.

    I mean as a techy you aren't wrong. There's a lot of underlying things and technologies that sort of glosses over. But to the layperson at large we're just pedantically nitpicking.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    And the "World Wide Web" mostly means HTML - "hypertext" documents which can be published on the internet, and which are regular documents but with embedded links to other documents (hyperlinks), and a vision to ultimately create the "semantic web" - human-readable text which can also be processed by computers.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago

    To be exact, Tim Berners Lee invented the original HTML specification, the HTTP communication protocol, and a proof-of-concept browser that implements both of them. These three things were required - on top of TCP, IP, Ethernets, that already existed - to build the Web.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    You supported DRM dude. Self critique, renounce your mistakes, and if you really want to go after ICANN, give me a call.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    *web inventor

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    I'd give anything for the internet to go back to how it was in the early/mid 90s.

    Back before it was corporatized, monetized and before all the gardens started building their walls.

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    [–] 18 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The fact that no one is challenging "internet inventor Tim Berners-Lee" is making me want to blow up my desktop

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago*

    "The internet should be for everyone, except the people I don't like." - average modern internet user

    Glad he's able to call out the domain name system for the crock of shit that it is.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    The internet isn't broken... Humanity is.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    It's always the fucking DNS. .__.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago*

    The article site itself is a good example of what's wrong with the internet.

    The guardian used a "pay or ok" model for cookie acceptance.

    Archive link to avoid that nonsense: https://archive.ph/pHNdt

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    It doesn't matter how noble your intent when inventing or researching, once business has control of something, it is used to gain power and control over people. All you scientists and engineers and researchers need to starts accepting your own contribution to this monster, held accountable for the technologies you help businesses unleash on all of us.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I think your coming on a little heavy, if you are trying to say that inventors should build systems that are resilient to misuse, I whole heartadly agree. But how your post seems it would imply that no one should be inventing anything that could possibly be corrupted or face the consequences, which is quite a huge pendulum swing that wouldn't cause the outcome I think you are looking for.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    the search providers (especially that famously 'not evil' one) had a huge hand in centralising and then gatekeeping access to 'the web'. They have such a disproportionately powerful effect on how users discover content, and huge power to drive self-fulfilling 'network effects' where people go where people already are, which has become so normalised that most people couldn't imagine 'the web' without them.

    i'm not suggesting it was ever realistic or possible, but what we needed was for that one search provider and indexer of content to be broken up, partially nationalised, and partially integrated into the network specification itself. Only they are powerful enough to become a model for how to functionally disentangle their operations into public and private parts.

    the only alternative is to break the centralisation of the web as china is doing and other BRICS nations intend to do, by creating 'national internets' which in some ways federate together and in other ways do not. I don't like this model of development for the future of the internet but the security considerations of the present require this kind of approach.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

    I don't know, the thing about the internet is that it does bring a ton of value, and operating it does have costs in turn. Maybe Sir Tim is right about DNS being the point where it got commercial, but it was going to happen somehow. Arxiv and Wikipedia still exist, but how do you do Amazon non-commercially? Even YouTube is a challenge.

    There used to be a sort of mantra that technology was neutral and people are good and bad. But actually, that’s not true of things on the web

    Arguably, that's not the distinction. Technologies can be explicitly of control or of chaos. And then that relative structure or freedom can itself be used for good or for evil.

    A central platform is of control, Lemmy or Linux is of chaos. And obviously we lean towards the latter a lot, but for some things even Lemmy wants central control and monitoring, so it's not evil, exactly.

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    [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    “The internet” should just be dumb pipes that transport bits. Period.

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    [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I have a simple fix but that which is difficult by virtue of momentum of the people. Don't visit corporate websites. Avoid google, microsoft, meta, reddit, youtube. Its much more difficult to avoid: whatsapp and maybe messenger if your family is on it. I would argue for photos and online drive, proton is good but i guess the CEO is trying to become/has become a tech bro like the others. so you have to figure out if alternatives like immich (self hosting) or other hosting providers are not fascist.

    We should talk about these alternatives all the time to get them into everyday lingo such that people recommend those to others.

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    So I was tuning into this guy another person testifying to Congress the other day by the name of Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath. Supposed neuroscientist, etc. Testifying to the effects of digital learning, pads, etc.

    Something just rubbed me the wrong way about him. Especially when you see the likes of Ted Cruz talking him up.

    Dude is heavily pushed by Moms for Liberty and "The Free Press" which we all know is a right-wing propaganda wing that gave us none other than Bari Weiss.

    I think the play here may be that they want to isolate children from the broader world and being exposed to other viewpoints. My gut instinct is that they're trying to construct the framework to justify isolationism and promote a Christo-Fascist society.

    I say this as someone who thanks the internet (especially in earlier decades) for changing multiple generations of my family from rural conservative Republican to progressive-left. The same reason they attack publicly-funded news like NPR or PBS, or Big Bird and Mr. Rogers.

    These things teach critical-thinking and kindness and make fearmongering less effective.

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    WWW has been a complete crapshow ever since it started simply because it became popular.

    It was designed to serve documents over the internet, except everyone co-opted for their own needs like websites, APIs, etc.

    That left us with broken as hell crap at every layer from the joke that is HTML/CSS, the clownshow that is HTTP, and the circus that is JavaScript.

    And don't even get the started on the mountain of vulnerabilities being stupid obvious crap that wouldn't dare to fly in even basic GNU utilities at the time.

    Adding insult to injury, this guy hasn't even provided a valid solution to this mess like hyphanet or the very newly released freenet.

    Which by the way tries to hack cheat the system with WebAssembly so that it doesn't have to deal with HTTPS directly since its an exclusive client server protocol.

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    [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Can we change the title to web inventor? I am guilty of using them interchangeably as well, but he did not invent the internet. And I used the internet before the web existed lol.

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    [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    He didn't invent the internet.

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