I'm pretty sure that's a reference to the midterm elections in November 2026

Social media post from Senator Chris Murphy: Pam Bondi just sent a letter to Minnesota officials saying ICE will leave if the state turns over its voter database to Trump. Guess what? This has never been about safety or immigration. It's a pretext for Trump to take over elections in swing states

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[–] 165 points 7 months ago (20 children)

I've just read the letter. Please, let's not spread misinformation, things are bad enough as is.

The letter demanded the voter database, among a couple of other sensitive databases. It never said ICE would leave if they comply. It only promised that peace would return to the streets, whatever the hell that means. I highly doubt they mean withdrawing ICE, especially considering they keep painting them as completely peaceful, and considering they demand a shit ton of cooperation in that letter as well, essentially letting ICE in everywhere. So in fact, it's almost the opposite - they demanded that and also demanded more access for ICE.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago

    I really appreciate it when people want to set the record straight like this, and you're right, the truth is probably worse than this post. But it's not as sensational so people will gravitate to the bullshit tweet instead. Which is the same phenomenon which gave us trump to begin with. 🤦‍♂️

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago

    Thank you for cutting through the rhetoric and making sure things are clear. I would also like to add that there are no parts in the letter saying that ICE will change their operation tactics and procedurdes (e.g. executions).

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Thank you for the clarification and suggestion, but this does not constitute misinformation, as I see it. The Orange Turd's camp are characteristically incoherent. You interpret Bondi's incoherence in a different but valid way. What they are communicating they will do if given the voter database is less important than their interest in forcibly obtaining the voter and other databases - and the linkage of this interest with ICE's presence in MN. Please let me know if I'm off the mark here; if this is misinformation and should be removed

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    They still want to fuck with voting though, which is the gist of the post.

    Walz should get a chat box to make up a random list of imaginary voters, print it on a few reams of paper at 5pt type and see if they really leave.

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    [–] 112 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I hope there's a world where thos matters and they all eat shit and face consequences.

    Like, this should be cut and dry.

    Oh, and also Trump's latest comments on tariffs on Canada follow the same pattern, first it was"fentenyl", now they've dropped the veneer forgetting that national security arguments were the only argument they had to justify things.

    To me that says they're either wildly overconfident or know they've got the supreme court by the balls.

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  • [–] [S] 72 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That's dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.

    Mainstream traditional and social media have devolved to simply publishing verbatim what the fascists say without offering any kind of context or evaluation of, say, the truthfulness of the statement-now-headline.

    I agree with you all around otherwise. I just don't think this behaviour rests on overconfidence or an appraisal of riskiness via the SC. I think it's psychologically must deeper, and recognizing this will help us deal with them better

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That's dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.

    But it nicely fits an adjacent conservative mindset: "We need laws to keep bad guys (others) from doing bad things, not to prevent good guys (us) from doing good things."

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    It's not that they view them as arbitrary signs of power to aspire to, it's that those things really do work well to manipulate others into doing what you want. Detaching a victim from reality - making them instead blindly believe what you say - turns them into a very useful tool. Usually people have a conscious and don't want to manipulate others to get ahead, but there will always be some who simply don't care, and they end up being the ones to amass more power and influence than their peers as a result.

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  • [–] 77 points 7 months ago

    Of course it's not about immigration. If it were about immigration, they'd be in Texas and Florida. You know, states with large numbers of immigrants. Minnesota has a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants as those states, and it's physically large. Very inefficient use of person-power for actually doing their stated job.

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  • [–] 71 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    State should send along the voter rolls.

    Printed on paper and with first names, last initial, the ward/district they live in and no party affiliation and a few randomly generated code numbers to just fuck things up in the database.. or better yet, send the paper lists with the names redacted with sharpie markers, and leave the party affiliations. use old school printouts that are photocopied (and send those) so no one can hold the paper up to the light to see what's under the redactions..

    Deflect and use Trump's own words about the Epsteinn files to justify "..following in President Trump's bold leadership style.."

    Time to out Trump the decrepit old fucker.

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Minnesota ain't no fucking swing state. We've voted Blue in the presidential election longer than any other state.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I wonder what the "States Rights" crowd has to say about this...

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  • [–] 47 points 7 months ago

    We have to stop engaging them like ANY of their arguments were ever genuine. These hypocritical fuckers will say anything, then say the exact opposite, because they never meant any of it in the first place.

    The psychopaths say whatever they think will get their opposition to behave in the way they want. That's it.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Same thing as the 2A crowd: crickets

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    Dictionary definition of terrorism:

    (Noun) the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Swing state?

    Minnesota hasn't went for a Republican presidential candidate since 1972.

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    [–] 22 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    Sorry for the dumb (not Form the US) question: Which information is in a voter database?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Name, address, party affiliation, prolly some more identifying information.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Names and party affiliation. Possibly addresses as well. At least tells them whom to purge, at worst tells them where to find them.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (26 children)

    As a non American I have to ask: What the hell is a voter database? :o

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If they want voter information don't they just ask Microsoft? Or Facebook? Or Google/Amazon/Apple? Pretty sure any one of them are more than capable of supplying far more detailed information than a state government.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Pretty sure they don't have everything. And even if they did, what they probably want more than anything is submission. If they can get a state to hand over that kind of highly sensitive information they are sending a signal they can coerce anyone to do anything.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    They want the voter rolls to have a list of self-identified enemies voters.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Wtf is there a voter database?

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    voter registry

    i.e name, address, party affiliations, etc..., and whether or not they voted (but the vote itself are secret)

    You need to be on the list to vote in elections. You get assigned the closest polling place, then you show up, they ask for you name, and they go through the book thing with a list of voters assgined to that polling place, they find your name then check it of before getting someone to set up the voting machine thing for you. For Pennsylvania, they ask for ID for the first time, they mail you a voter registry card which can be used for as that ID. Next time you don't need an ID, the just ask you for a signature on the voter roll.

    If you name isn't on the voter roll at the polling station for some reason (like a mistake they made), you can ask for a privisional ballot then they sort it out later. If you were supposed to be on there, then they count the vote, otherwise its discarded.

    So once they have this list, they can just go down the list of democrats and raid every house

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    excuse for 'insurrection act' miller's final solution to send military against the unbelievers. cancel election and install the 4th Reich. bomb berlin. already half torn down for ballroom since january 6 tried to burn the Reichstag;;

    someone reads wwii novels and admires nazis. suicidal tendencies. pedo capital is mar-largo

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    They are running this country like a pawn shop.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    These guys seriously think they are every winning an election Minnesota again? I guess they are betting that they can finish off democracy in it's entirety in the next three years

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    In case this hasn't hit home for anyone yet.

    The United States has a fascist government currently attempting to end our democracy.

    That is happening. Now. Here.

    And every conservative you know is onboard with it because they voted for it and haven't spoken out against it.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Weird ass thing to do.

    Minnesota has paper backed electronic voting.

    There's not a lot he can manipulate with that.

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    [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Hand them the republican ones.

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