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Is thisa reference to that Tailwind PR?
No, this is about adding guidelines for tool-generated submissions to the kernel. The tailwind conversation was on making their documentations more accessible to AI tools.
Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion, and says that adding guidelines won't solve the problem because a lot of times it's not trivial to detect whether or not a contribution was written with AI tools, after all, "documentation is for good actors", hinting that anyone contributing AI slop is not expected to respect it anyway.
Thank you for that context. I fear the day we discover something bad about Linus. In my eyes he's been very based since forever
Your going to be dissapointed then.
He's very toxic.
That being said, I still love the guy. But he is a known hot head.
He is almost always right. He just expresses it in a way that hurts people a lot, and thats something he needs to work on. The term toxic is over used but yeah, he was very rude, insensitive, and offensive sometimes.
That's pretty mild compared to what I'm afraid of. Of course that it's not good that he is that way, although I would argue that any kind of bugzilla of an open source project is a toxic environment in itself, but that's not "rape-slaves in the basement" level kind of stuff
Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion [...]
Sounds like "don't feed the trolls". And "don't waste time with discussing spam".
Apart from that, if GenAI could write good code, it would be acceptable. The thing to do is to scrutinize code for looking plausible while really being bullshit, or subtly wrong.
That PR was quite the ride, thank you for that. Also, I feel for the maintainer guy :(
Full thoughts on my TT
holy shit I did not expect it to go that low
Torvalds doesn't want AI-generated submissions to the Linux kernel because
the AI slop people aren't going to document their patches as such. That's such an obvious truism that I don't understand why anybody even brings up AI slop.
He's right, and this should be obvious. I have seen many a conversation between somebody who has filed an AI-generated bug report, and a developer trying to diagnose it, where it's clear the person who's filed the bug report has no idea what they're talking about.
lol some of the submissions here are nightmares. The person who submits the AI report also replies back to dev comments and criticisms using LLMs. And after a while, instead of admitting it was wrong it just hallucinates code like changing <= with < and claiming that is the mistake. What an absolute waste of people's time.
I just love Linus way of being super honest. Mostly he is 100% correct also.
The thing is, people dont want to offend eachother, so they work on these projects like Ai guidelines even though they already know exactly what Linux says here about only good actors using this.
They just want to get along. This is common in enterprise too where people work on dumb things just to get along also. They value no conflicts more than being right.
Rm -r /slop
New life goal, learn coding, create AI kill code, how hard could it be... says me with the learning capability of a potato...
Just bully your LLM of choice with a "kill yourself loser" prompt, easy peasy lemon squeezy
Recently deepwiki links started popping up in my search results, when I wanted to research some software. They offered so much genenerated 'documentation' that it caused so much confusion and irritation to me, I installed an extension just to block this site from my search results.
Why do I ever need to read the 'architecture' or whatever from an ancient no longer maintained project. The deepwiki page didn't mention that it isn't maintained, but the readme.md in the repo states it clearly at the very top with big letters...
Any suggestion for a browser plugin that blocks AIslop pages from search results? I think we really need some kind of ad block for this, but differently. A well maintained list of pages containing AI slop and then filtering out those pages from search results instead. So that the internet becomes/remains usable and mostly unpoisend by this stuff.
AIslop should never outrank human created content.
I am not someone that cries about the end times much, but... If this issues isn't addressed effectively and the internet becomes filled with aislop that outrank and thus hide human content... it becomes useless... We might really have to look for a new one....
The internet is for connecting humans through their machines. If it starts to exist without requiring humans, then it can be its own thing and humans have to find something else then.
/rant
Kagi (paid search engine) downranks AI generated content.
But the emojis help, right?
RIGHT?
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