▲ 737 ▼ Linus Torvalds: "The AI Slop Issue Is NOT Going To Be Solved With Documentation" (www.phoronix.com) submitted 8 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world 56 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 74 points 8 months ago (9 children) Is thisa reference to that Tailwind PR? permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 96 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children) No, this is about adding guidelines for tool-generated submissions to the kernel. The tailwind conversation was on making their documentations more accessible to AI tools. Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion, and says that adding guidelines won't solve the problem because a lot of times it's not trivial to detect whether or not a contribution was written with AI tools, after all, "documentation is for good actors", hinting that anyone contributing AI slop is not expected to respect it anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 9 points 8 months ago (3 children) Thank you for that context. I fear the day we discover something bad about Linus. In my eyes he's been very based since forever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Your going to be dissapointed then. He's very toxic. He has gotten help That being said, I still love the guy. But he is a known hot head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago He is almost always right. He just expresses it in a way that hurts people a lot, and thats something he needs to work on. The term toxic is over used but yeah, he was very rude, insensitive, and offensive sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago That's pretty mild compared to what I'm afraid of. Of course that it's not good that he is that way, although I would argue that any kind of bugzilla of an open source project is a toxic environment in itself, but that's not "rape-slaves in the basement" level kind of stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 7 points 8 months ago Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion [...] Sounds like "don't feed the trolls". And "don't waste time with discussing spam". Apart from that, if GenAI could write good code, it would be acceptable. The thing to do is to scrutinize code for looking plausible while really being bullshit, or subtly wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bababasti@feddit.org 24 points 8 months ago That PR was quite the ride, thank you for that. Also, I feel for the maintainer guy :( permalink fedilink source parent [–] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago Damn I’m in the loop on this one for once permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* Full thoughts on my TT holy shit I did not expect it to go that low permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 96 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children) No, this is about adding guidelines for tool-generated submissions to the kernel. The tailwind conversation was on making their documentations more accessible to AI tools. Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion, and says that adding guidelines won't solve the problem because a lot of times it's not trivial to detect whether or not a contribution was written with AI tools, after all, "documentation is for good actors", hinting that anyone contributing AI slop is not expected to respect it anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 9 points 8 months ago (3 children) Thank you for that context. I fear the day we discover something bad about Linus. In my eyes he's been very based since forever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Your going to be dissapointed then. He's very toxic. He has gotten help That being said, I still love the guy. But he is a known hot head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago He is almost always right. He just expresses it in a way that hurts people a lot, and thats something he needs to work on. The term toxic is over used but yeah, he was very rude, insensitive, and offensive sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago That's pretty mild compared to what I'm afraid of. Of course that it's not good that he is that way, although I would argue that any kind of bugzilla of an open source project is a toxic environment in itself, but that's not "rape-slaves in the basement" level kind of stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 7 points 8 months ago Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion [...] Sounds like "don't feed the trolls". And "don't waste time with discussing spam". Apart from that, if GenAI could write good code, it would be acceptable. The thing to do is to scrutinize code for looking plausible while really being bullshit, or subtly wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 9 points 8 months ago (3 children) Thank you for that context. I fear the day we discover something bad about Linus. In my eyes he's been very based since forever permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Your going to be dissapointed then. He's very toxic. He has gotten help That being said, I still love the guy. But he is a known hot head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago He is almost always right. He just expresses it in a way that hurts people a lot, and thats something he needs to work on. The term toxic is over used but yeah, he was very rude, insensitive, and offensive sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago That's pretty mild compared to what I'm afraid of. Of course that it's not good that he is that way, although I would argue that any kind of bugzilla of an open source project is a toxic environment in itself, but that's not "rape-slaves in the basement" level kind of stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Your going to be dissapointed then. He's very toxic. He has gotten help That being said, I still love the guy. But he is a known hot head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago He is almost always right. He just expresses it in a way that hurts people a lot, and thats something he needs to work on. The term toxic is over used but yeah, he was very rude, insensitive, and offensive sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago That's pretty mild compared to what I'm afraid of. Of course that it's not good that he is that way, although I would argue that any kind of bugzilla of an open source project is a toxic environment in itself, but that's not "rape-slaves in the basement" level kind of stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago He is almost always right. He just expresses it in a way that hurts people a lot, and thats something he needs to work on. The term toxic is over used but yeah, he was very rude, insensitive, and offensive sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] INeedMana@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago That's pretty mild compared to what I'm afraid of. Of course that it's not good that he is that way, although I would argue that any kind of bugzilla of an open source project is a toxic environment in itself, but that's not "rape-slaves in the basement" level kind of stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 7 points 8 months ago Linus doesn't want to add guidelines to not fuel any side of the whole discussion [...] Sounds like "don't feed the trolls". And "don't waste time with discussing spam". Apart from that, if GenAI could write good code, it would be acceptable. The thing to do is to scrutinize code for looking plausible while really being bullshit, or subtly wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bababasti@feddit.org 24 points 8 months ago That PR was quite the ride, thank you for that. Also, I feel for the maintainer guy :( permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago Damn I’m in the loop on this one for once permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* Full thoughts on my TT holy shit I did not expect it to go that low permalink fedilink source parent