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Bro, you didn't read the book. (lemmy.world)

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[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

Marx upon encountering the average .ml user

[-] lukonko@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I never understood, why's .ml so hated?

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

Because they claim to be Marxist but are pro-Russia and pro-China.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Do they think those comunisms are actual marxisms?

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

They have their twisted explanations of why both countries are actually following his teachings.

[-] Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

They lean hard authoritarian

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

They've bastardised Marxism

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[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

Well, they did do a revolution using vanguardism, and saved Europe from fascism. Different context in backwards feudal Russia than industrial England

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[-] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

the working class kicked the Tzar out while the vanguard-boy was chilling in Switzerland

The working class agitated by whom exactly, I wonder? Very good way to reframe a political refugee, I guess to you Snowden is "chilling in Russia"?

after being sponsored by Germany he just gave them a whole country as reward

My fucking god, are you seriously against the Bolsheviks ending the Russian involvement in WW1?!

Knowing that WW2 happened, I don't know how you can possibly defend the Makhnovshchina either, they would have been annihilated by Nazism. The Bolsheviks did the correct thing by industrializing the region, and if you oppose this you simply don't do materialist analysis of history.

the KPD even supported a literal Nazi-backed referendum just to oppose social democrats, who they'd call fascists while ignoring the actual fascists

Look! This guy is defending the murder of Rosa Luxembourg! Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!

In Spain the vanguard went on to outlaw and actively fight, kill and imprison leaders of every anti-fascist organization

Lmfao, I'm Spanish myself so this bs doesn't fly.

Go ahead, give me a list of the known and proven victims of Soviet repression in Spain, I'll wait. I fucking wish the USSR had been closer geographically to us, unfortunately at such long distance it wasn't possible to provide more material aid... The rest of the world just looked and you're ok with it from what I see, as Gernika was being bombed by Nazis, France and UK looked the other way. Only the USSR sold weapons, tanks and planes to the antifascists Spanish republicans to defend themselves against Nazism.

didn't move a finger against fascism until they were directly attacked

Absolute bullshit. When Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis (and the Poles), the USSR proposed a joint attack on Nazis together with France and Poland, both of which refused. Stalin offered to send a million troops to France in exchange for an anti-Nazi mutual defense agreement, which France refused.

What a fucking great job at historical revisionism, absolutely unhinged.

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[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The USSR did do a revolution. And the end result of it was a fascist state-capitalist hellscape under Stalin, and authoritarian state-capitalist shithole after
Because of said fascist state-capitalist hellscape, generals had to get on their hands and knees and beg Stalin to let them lead the defense of the USSR as the Nazis blew their way through USSR territory. Thus causing the single greatest death toll of any single nation in the war
Oh yeah, and the proletariat never came even close to owning the means of production, eliminating the system of capital, or eliminating the state, or really anything Marx preached.

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[-] Morti@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago

I'm working on it, it's just so thicc! 😭

[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The communist manifesto is a pamphlet.

Das Kapital is a fucking modern epic.

[-] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 6 points 4 months ago

Communism but within the framework of liberal democracy so the capitalists can simply walk back into power 😩👍🏼

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nothing more threatening to the power of the proletariat than [checks notes] the proletariat voting.

Like, if we managed to implement a legit socialist state by our current state of bourgeois democracy, as unlikely as that is, the chance of capitalists just 'returning' because people vote in a semi-screwed system is pretty fucking unlikely

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[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Marx loved democracy. He viewed it as the most stable path to communism.

We're seeing this play out more and more in Scandinavia.

Its never been observed in any self proclaimed communist nation with an authoritarian state. Probably because authoritarianism is antithetical to the principles of communism.

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[-] Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes but the alternative is no democracy. Democracy is flawed even when operating correctly, but it the greatest equalizing tool humanity has ever invented, and Marx recognized it

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[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Without democracy, you simply create a new ruling class. Workers had no say in the Soviet Union, even less than they had in the US back then.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

To be fair most of “them” don’t read any books

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

need one with "not gonna lie, i didn't read most of it either"

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Why would I read Citizen Santa Claus's book?

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 4 months ago

Don't you wanna know why he says "Rudolf" as he's dying?

[-] KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Or they just read his leaflet instead of Das Kapital

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