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[–] 61 points 8 months ago (1 child)

What the fuck is wrong with denmark? Chat control, and then this bullshit

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Denmark. Full honesty. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR GOVERNMENT?!

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    [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Cool, not having VPNs won't be a security problem for businesses and government agencies. /S

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sure and then I want them to explain to the public why home office is forbidden now. And tell people that its very unfortunate but they aren't allowed to get there information from sources outside of the country. Great the people will love this.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don‘t see how home office got anything to do with it. It looks like they want to precisely ban certain end consumer VPNs. So unless your office forces you to use NordVPN to connect to their servers they shouldn‘t be affected.

    That being said I also don‘t see how they want to enforce it without essentially building a firewall around their tiny country. It sounds like a ridiculous idea.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Home office is affected because customer private data can't be sent over unsecured public networks and it's rather difficult to work many jobs without that, so a VPN link between home office and HQ is needed and most businesses buy that in.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    @mjr by “home office” you mean “working from home”? Because that has a distictly different meaning in many, if not most, English speaking countries.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It's useless to enforce age verification without banning VPNs. This was inevitable and must have been planned.

    What's the plan? I think they need tools to prevent unrest when the US, the Americas and Europe get tightly coupled to counter-balance China.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The US and the EU can counter balance China comfortably on their own if they really deem it necessary. I doubt that‘s the reason Denmark is going full surveillance state.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    What else could it be?

    Btw, they still would need population control even if EU and US try to do it on their own. However Venezuela and other countries show that the US won't let South America be part of the multipolar world.

    can counter balance China comfortably on their own

    How? China has all the production capabilities and is just moments away from having the missing high precision tools.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What else could it be?

    It could simply be the same basic authoritarian instinct shared by governments everywhere. We don't like this thing that's happening, therefore we pass a law saying it can't happen. Technical details of why that won't work are not important, and are probably invented by obstinate malcontents. Just do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That requires some form of incompetence. The sneakiness of introducing voluntary chat control that stops being voluntary in the fine print but isn't discussed by the media suggests that some people are putting in serious effort. An incompetent person would know about VPNs only years after age verification became active law.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    In this area, where there is so much evidence of conspiracy, I tend towards conspiracy theory: The incompetent and the ignorant whose names we know are being guided and manipulated by lobbyists and psychopaths with secret motivations who know exactly what they're doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    The EU and the US are both economically stronger and more stable than China. Not to speak of the political and cultural power they have over most parts of the world. The US and the EU are individually bigger players on the global stage than China in most aspects. They wouldn‘t need to join forced to counter balance China. At least not going by numbers.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    From memory, the EU and China are 18% of global GDP, GB is 3%. The US is the biggest but by PPP China is already bigger.

    China had a $1 trillion trade surplus. The US are forcing the EU to buy their gas. China is growing, the EU is shrinking.

    To me that means it is a matter of years until China is clearly number one.

    Won't the current power of EU and US become a liability when China can offer the former colonies to finally break free from their masters?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    China will never be number one just like Japan didn‘t when they ran with a similar export model. They have much more massive looming economic challenges than we do. If anything, India will take their spot as the global factory.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Japan was stopped with the power of the dollar. China doesn't even have the dept to try that on China.

    Which challenges does China have and why should India be able to take their spot?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I’m sorry, what? China has a mountain of debt and the housing bubble is swallowing up any savings an average household could accumulate. Turns out pouring more concrete in a decade than the USA poured in a century comes at a cost after all. This might be news to some but it shouldn‘t come as a surprise.

    What definitely shouldn‘t be news to anyone at this point is China‘s inevitable demographic time bomb that‘s about to go off. China‘s population is aging much more rapidly than any other demographic in the world and soon a huge chunk of their workforce will retire with way too few workers to replace them.

    These things will put a strain on China’s economy that makes Japan‘s bubble burst look like a cakewalk.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    The aging population threatens the economy but it cannot be used to contain China.

    None of this analysis should be taken to imply that specific Chinese borrowers are not overleveraged with respect to external debt. Where risk does exist, it lies primarily with Chinese companies and NBFIs who are net borrowers, as opposed to banks which are net lenders. Taken as a whole, the Chinese economy is not particularly reliant on foreign borrowing, especially when compared to other emerging markets. The Chinese economy is overleveraged in many respects, but the country’s credit boom has been domestic in nature.

    https://www.seafarerfunds.com/prevailing-winds/2019/01/tracking-chinas-external-debt/

    A bit outdated but good analysis. After this year's $1 trillion trade surplus, it can only have improved for China.

    The dangerous dept part comes from doing business and is balanced by their currency reserves. Both are in dollar.

    The US government would have to default on their obligations while their creditors need the leverage to enforce their dept on China. Is that possible at all?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    They will try anything except copyright reform. Anything except looking at the cause of piracy...

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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    Politicians' ignorance about technology is dangerous. Trying to ban VPNs is the dumbest thing I've asked for in a long time.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Stop with the censorship and surveillance, we know what you're realy doing here! Even normal non-tech people are starting to realise what you are doing is not for their good and safety!

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