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[–] 42 points 9 months ago

Fascist scum

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago* (22 children)

    Not to express support for the cops in any way, but for a bit of context: Publicly insulting a person is a crime in Germany. The old guy here did give the cops a great excuse to arrest him.

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  • [–] 65 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Publicly insulting a person is a crime in Germany

    One of the smallest crimes.

    They could have stopped him to ask for his ID, name + address. It does NOT justify their violent treatment.

    Even if they decided to take him first, for asking his details later, there was no need = no justification for this immediate violence.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Of course. As I said, I'm not trying to support or defend the methods they used here. I'm just saying that when you're insulting a policeman, at a demonstration or anywhere, you've committed a crime and will be arrested. It's not a smart move. The title here implies that he was arrested for "calling them out" or that it's about the demonstration being Pro-Palestine, but this is the fastest way to get arrested at any demonstration.

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    No, not really. Arrest is only allowed under certain circumstances, and acting violently has even higher burdens (in the law at least). The proportions have to be maintained, too. And acting this violently is not proportional to a minor insult.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Arrest is only allowed under certain circumstances

    Indeed, but one of those circumstances is being caught in the act of comitting a crime, as was the case here.

    The proportions have to be maintained, too.

    True, the method used could well have been out of proportion. But he shouldn't be surprised to have been arrested, that would have happened at any demonstration if you decide to insult a cop.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    but one of those circumstances is being caught in the act of comitting a crime

    Nope, only if the person cannot be identified right away. Nobody tried to ask for his ID.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    like this was happening on a quiet street and not in an ongoing situation. I'm always in to complain about the police, but this one? Come on. He overstepped, and got taken in to identify him and possibly sue him for the "Schweine" comment. Sure they use force, but the force to me seems reasonable/in proportion.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sure they use force, but the force to me seems reasonable/in proportion.

    You are out of your mind. Walk up to him and ask him to show his ID. If he doesn't, grab his arm and take him with you. If he or the other people resist that, then and only then force can be escalated.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    I don't think the situation allowed for that. There was already aggression against the police there (sadly we don't know what the kid did do, to get arrested). The police was already trying to get out of the scene to avoid confronting the people who tried to stop the police from doing so. Getting someones ID is more than just asking/receiving an answer, it's a process that takes several minutes even in quiet situations like when the police is called to a minor traffic accident etc.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (7 children)
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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    its what the IDF would do too,.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago*

    Like people who always jump to say this in such posts: we don't know the context. And it's true that we don't know the immediate context. But we do know the wider context. This forceful suppression of pro-Palestinian speech is consistent with the concerns repeatedly expressed by multiple human rights organizations about the systemic biases of the German state.

    To make a slightly distasteful analogy: if this was a video of ICE agents arresting a Latino person at a protest outside a detention center, sure we would not have the context of that person's actual immigration status. But we do have the wider context of a systematic crackdown on Latinos by ICE.

    Do you want to actually defend the honour of German police? Organize and push politically for systemic change. Otherwise, your pearl clutching about "context" will only read as complicity to the systemic issues.

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  • Turns out cops are the same wherever you go.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Denazification didn’t work. The occupation authorities realised that if they hanged all the Nazis there wouldn’t be enough people left to be a viable country. So the virus gestated.

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