Swiss voters on Sunday decisively rejected a call to require women to do national service in the military, civil protection teams or other forms, as all men must do already.

Official results. with counting still ongoing in some areas after a referendum, showed that more than half of Switzerland’s cantons, or states, had rejected the “citizen service initiative” by wide margins. That meant it was defeated, because proposals need a majority of both voters and cantons to pass.

Voters also heavily rejected a separate proposal to impose a new national tax on individual donations or inheritances of more than 50 million francs ($62 million), with the revenues to be used to fight the impact of climate change and help Switzerland meet its ambitions to have net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

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[+] 80 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 66 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Afaik, Switzerland is a very conservative place. So that pretty much aligns with what you said.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They are so conservative that women got the right to vote federally in 1971. In one Canton they only got the right to vote at the local level in 1990 after a Supreme Court decision. They were the last Western Democracy to do so.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    Sexist is debatable but... yeah

    But everyone worshiping the rich? Yeah, that is Switzerland in a nutshell. A decade or so ago I spent a week in Switzerland on holiday and... even the state funded museums kinda felt like "And then so and so developed a really cool technology that saved countless lives. AND THEN THEY GOT RICH!!! FRANCA FRANCA BILS Y'ALL!!!! And here is what they bought with it and the house they lived in and how much paper it takes to print out their monthly statement and... Oh, the tech? Whatever, nobody cares about that"

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    [–] 63 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    If men have to sign up for the draft then it is only fair that women have to too. It’s unfair that only men have to risk being drafted and losing so much of their life to war.

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Potentially in the future, they remove the draft altogether.

    Support for mandatory military service in Switzerland has been going up in recent years, so I wouldn't count on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    While I understand the pushback against military drafts/service requirements, they also can be a net positive for a culture that applies them equally regardless of gender, class or ethnicity. You are significantly less likely to support war if your children or grandchildren could potentially get dragged into it. Want to the majority of wars? Make it a law that the heirs of the rich must serve in the infantry during wartime.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Oh give me a rest, women are getting away worse in so many facets of life. When we have fixed discrimination against women we can talk about them doing mandatory civil cervice.

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Insane that any democracy would reject an inheritance tax

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Not that insane. Most people only concern themselves with their own issues. And if you're a 40 year old whose childhood home is now worth 500k or whatever and you have to pay 200k in taxes in order to inherit it, then you probably want to vote against it because otherwise the government will take it.

    Okay, take all that with a grain of salt because I'm not too familiar with inheritance law, but it's based on multiple similar stories I've heard from people.

    I still think it should be taxed, don't get me wrong. But I understand why people are against it.

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    [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It feels very strange to be a US citizen and actually be able to judge another country for making a silly conservative decision. Woo?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What is not well enough reprensented in this post is that the Service Citoyen was not only about makimg women do a mandatory service. It was to transform the outdated and regressive mandatory service for men into a more general service to the collective that treated security not as a entirely militaristic issue but as a wholistic one.

    Now parliament will interpret this as a mandate to cull the existing useful civil service and force every men (and potentially women too) into the military.

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As an American, I have no room at all to judge this decision. But

    proposals need a majority of both voters and cantons to pass.

    That sounds amazing. Let's do that, please.

    I mean, straight popular vote would probably be better. But this could really do what the Electoral College stans say that it was made to do, without doing what it actually does.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That sounds amazing.

    It sounds arbitrary and heavily weighted to favor the smaller cantons. Same problem we have with the US Senate and the filibuster. Representatives for a meager 30M voters can obstruct policy championed by the other 300M

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I thought everyone had to serve. Sad.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    ITT: people judging the vote and the voters by the magnanimous title alone.

    The initiatives were worded and implemented so poorly, that it wouldn't surprise me if the initiants wanted to lose both these votes.

    1. The inheritance tax would have caused mass nationalisations and it had pegged the tax proceeds to go towards climate goals instead of let's say the federal pension fund deficit (AHV-Loch). It would be incorrect to state that the voters don't support an inheritance tax or climate goals based on this vote.
    2. The "service citoyen" proposal would have made some kind of civil or military service mandatory for all, but would have essentially reduced the military to a volunteer force, which would be socially unacceptable. The Swiss have a historically repeatedly confirmed will to keep a citizen's militia as the country's only security force.
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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The takes on here are wild as a Swiss dude.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Hint: Mandatory service is a problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Mandatory service is not a problem. As long as we live in a world with countries like russia mandatory service does more good than harm.

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