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[–] 155 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It's not "Gmail can read your emails" .... Gmail has been reading your emails for years.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Yup. Kinda why I've been using my gmail account as image storage for the last 19 years, and nothing else, since I made it.

    That was stated from the get-go, that Google reserved the right to scan for potential ad-words in order to advertise a product you might have written about in a correspondence.

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    [–] 84 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    How to opt out

    Opting out requires you to change settings in two places, so I’ve tried to make it as easy to follow as possible. Feel free to let me know in the comments if I missed anything.

    To fully opt out, you must turn off Gmail’s “Smart features” in two separate locations in your settings. Don’t miss one, or AI training may continue.

    Step 1: Turn off Smart Features in Gmail, Chat, and Meet settings

    Step 2: Turn off Google Workspace Smart Features

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Or: use a different email provider.

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    [–] 48 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's a reason it's enabled by default. So, it automatically has permissions to learn off ~20 years of emails before a handful of people opt-out.

    Assuming they even honor the opt-out flag at all. They have a history of conveniently ignoring those.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    These opt-out and opt-in rules should be punishable by law. I mean its the nature of humanity. We don't care.

    A brief comparison: in Germany, you are only an organ donor if you opt in. In France, you are always an organ donor unless you opt out. Guess which country has more donors.

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    [–] 28 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If they are training on my emails, they are going to be dumb as fuck.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Honestly I don't get how AI isn't rolling backwards already. Image sites are burried in AI slop. Social media posts are burried in AI slop, and now e-mails, that were probably written by AIs. How is AI even remotely improving right now, when obviously 90% of any new training data it's getting, was generated by the last generation of AI.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Companies that build large LLMs have already said that this is becoming a problem. They're running out of high-quality human-written content to train their models.

    Google paid Reddit to get access to their data to train their models, which is probably why their AI can be a bit dumb at times (and of course, the users that actually contributed the content don't get any of that money)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    that's true, but I think it's in the phrasing, they describe it as a shortage of human made content. the bigger issue to note is the lack of ability to identify human made content. IE you give it reddit and our e-mails, there's plenty of human made content on there... but nobody knows what percentage of it is actually bots or AIs.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    And oh by the way, opting out turns off the auto-categorization and fills your inbox with spam.

    How the fuck do I switch from this stupid service?

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Stop using google anything! Simple as that. They are a parasite. Stop feeding them!

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I really like Gmaps and YouTube though. That is really the main things I struggle getting rid of. Maps not so much for navigation but for exploring local businesses and YouTube is a monopoly.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    You can use youtube without being logged in (and there are alternate frontends too, but they all have issues whenever google decides to break stuff).

    If you want to follow people you can actually do it without an account through RSS

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago*

    I find it funny when they read my school emails and then accuse themselves of phishing after they accuse me of holding malware in my drive, icing on the cake really, I won't even need this email in a month.

    That said though, just like others have mentioned, making users opt out of getting all the data wringed out of their account isn't the most ethical strategy and frankly it's a bit over the top.

    They already scan everything from your Google drive to your YouTube recommended, google news feed, docs files, and just you browsing and using that as data for advertising and their AI. I don't think emails are the best source of personalised information nor would assist in training new Gemini models unless they want to build an email spam bot.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Step 3: Verify if both are off

    • Make sure both toggles remain off.
    • Refresh your Gmail app or sign out and back in to confirm changes.

    How fucking ridiculous is it that this needs to be a step? If I tell a company to keep its grubby hands out of my shit, that should be final. No need to double check that google didn’t do a little oopsie-woopsie and leave those options on as a little treat for later.

    Every other day there is something like this, and I am getting real fucking tired.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Okay sounds probably gonna get crucified for not reading this...but if the headline is true and combined with the fact that LLMs have been known to expose training data, this seems to introduce a non-zero chance that my personal emails are going to get shown to strangers.....

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I've already found recent emails in my gmail account for right-leaning news sources I've had to opt out of. I've been lax on my gmail management until last year I went on a major cleanup spree, so I know these new emails were automatically added somehow, and this article likely explains it.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Plot twist: they can, and will, do it even if you opt out. The only thing that change is that you won't get anything out of it. Not that it would have been a significant return to begin with.

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus Christ.
    Can there be a day without fearing for my data and privacy?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Y'all do realize that Gmail has been reading your emails and attachments from the start, right?

    Someone please explain why doing that for ads isn't terrible, but how this crosses the line?

    The reasons not to trust Google are as old and numerous as the trees.

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The Google page the article links to pretty explicitly states that data will not be used for training. Isn’t this just the cross-google integration that lets calendar add events from mail?

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why is my institution blocking malwarebytes??

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago*

    This will end up releasing private info in some form, right?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I turned it off from the gmail android app and as soon as I returned to the inbox there's a notification asking me to flip it back.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    The ‘V’ in AI stands for value. The price of TuLLMips can only go up.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This means they already did use it for training if it's opt-out, and it's quite the job to get it out. This is why opt-out training should be illegal, and all previously opt-out trained models must be destroyed.

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    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    And unfortunately most people dont realize or care because they 'have nothing to hide'. Having something to hide or not, I want my privacy!

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