I suspect the Frame, with its x86 to ARM recompilation layer, is a trial balloon for higher-performance ARM hardware in more traditional form factors. More concisely, the Steam Deck 2, when it appears, will be a high-performance ARM device, with similar performance/efficiency characteristics to Apple Silicon MacBooks rather than phones/tablets. Of course, this depends on a vendor producing suitable CPUs.
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Steam Machine looks quite intriguing, as well as the VR set. Depending on the pricing and specs, I could see myself using these.
All 3 new announced hardware looks good to me! Although I would probably have less need for the Machine because I already have a (old) gaming PC. I'll have to compare benchmarks. I'm most excited for the VR set.
dont expect much from the machine performance wise given its specs (basically assume about ps5 performance)
the vr headset though is actually the more interesting product when it comes to effort put into it.
curious to see how much the snapdragon 8 gen 3 handles linux arm to x86 performance. ive seen the same chipset for android arm to x86 performance (see arm based chinese handhelds like Ayn Odin, using game native/game hub)
pitching the headset as both a vr device and what is essentially a monitor/all in one is a choice.
basically assume about ps5 performance
Thanks for estimating that will be similar to PS5 performance.
Been hoping for the controller for so long. The other stuff looks amazing too, I have an OG vive so I'll probably get the VR headset as well. Very hyped! Just hope it's all available in my region in launch, they sell the steam deck here so fingers crossed.
That's funny. I could have written your exact comment. I, too, have been hoping for this controller and have the original HTC Vive.
Yeah, both of my SCs are broken at this point (including one of the dongles). I have a decent conventional controller but really miss those touchpads.
I think all of these are nice, if priced correctly
Steam Frame needs to compete with quest, so prices over $800 are a really tough sell.
Steam Machine needs to compete with consoles, PS5 (non-pro) and Series S, so prices over ~$700 will become really tough.
Prices start becoming really good, if they manage to come it at ~$600 for Steam Frame and ~$500 for Steam Machine.
But with current hardware prices, Valve being valve and no-one can know if they want to make money on the hardware, or if they are willing to sell at cost, or if they are willing to subsidize, who knows where we will land.
To your last point, back when the Steam Deck launched they described its price point at the time as "painful" but felt it was necessary. Turns out they made the right call and it was wildly successful, so hopefully they stay the course on "painful" pricing.
Also pretty much all modern consoles have been eye watering my expensive on launch save the switch. Even the switch 2 was very pricey.
Early adopters will jump on at the higher price point and everyone else will get on board when the price falls.
Honestly the thing I REALLY care about here is the steam controller 2. I LOVED the original. Gimme gimme gimme
I think you misunderstand. It was painful for Valve to cut the margin so thin, assuming they kept one at all.
According to Valve's messaging at least the Deck launched at the lowest price they possibly could manage.
when the price falls.
No longer a given, but Valve did lower the price of the Deck while every single other console got a price hike, so there's hope.
Their goal with the first iteration of Steam Machines (RIP) was explicitly to provide an alternative to Windows and to reduce dependency on Microsoft. I'm pretty sure that's why they priced the deck so competitively, to make a dent in the market as a loss leader.
To that end, I would expect them to be taking a large hit on these in order to get them into people's hands. It's not even about steam sales per se, it's about platform commoditisation.
I personally expect that they will want to cover hardware cost, while being willing to subsidize development cost with the steam store.
So I think the low storage models will make a slight loss for valve in the beginning, while the higher storage models will get that back to even overall for valve.
I love that every single time I see someone mention the older "steam machines" from way back when they lable them as horrible. I own one. It was amazing. I had to download custom software to overclock it because the software limited me more than the hardware. And it wasn't even an i7. For the form factor and the price I paid for it, it was totally worth it and not crappy at all.
I'm looking forward to seeing what steams actual hardware will do.
The more I think about it the more I want to get a Steam Machine. My computer is around 15 years old now I am starting to wish for some more performance. I think the Steam Machine could last me many years to come.
Hype hype hype hype. I am getting a steam frame and putting it om my shelf!
I mean I already have a gaming Pc but there’s something about that box that I crave. It reminds me of my previous PC which I preferred (current one is too big but necessary for extra card slots)
I hope they price them as good as the deck.
This looks good. Like a Super PS4 Pro.
Valve should sell the lowest spec and let third parties go crazy with more powerful hardware or higher memory specs.
Announced specs are quite epic. AMD Zen 4 cpu - probably something similar to 7600X but can go as high as 7900X. GPU is 8GB RDNA3 - probably something like RX7600 (close to 4060m). This is already better than most MiniPCs on the market. If the price is right, post-release MiniPC market is going to be fun.
It‘s a 6-core CPU, with a 35 watt TDP. It will not be able to compete with a 7900X with 12 cores and a 5 times higher TDP - and not with a 7600X with 8 cores and 105W TDP.
Still, that’s absolutely fine for gaming.

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