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Link? So I can downvote it to oblivion, call them liars and fuck spez
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The unfortunate thing is that in a lot of cases, the "Big Stick" approach actually worked. Many reddit moderators that were "leading" the protests caved under threats of replacement from the admins. Maybe it's because they're addicted to the little bit of power being a moderator over a reasonably sized community gives you. Maybe they're just set in their ways and expected reddit to roll back their API changes. I can't say. The one that really pissed me off was r/selfhosted. Like, your entire thing is autonomy and a very technical microcosm of DIY culture, but the second you're faced with the possibility of just migrating to one of a million different other, self-hosted options, suddenly it becomes "too much of an inconvenience?" Totally pathetic.
The protestors aren't organized, so of course some of them will respond to different things. It's not surprising that a few have caved. I bet a few have joined the protests because they saw the big stick being used like that.
The sad part was when some redditors thought spez was cool or "like them" lol
More gaslighting bullshit from (ultimately) spez.
None of these communities violated rules. They didn't just encourage users to post NSFW content, they switched the subreddit setting to NSFW which works with the visibility user controls reddit has had for years.
It does highlight the futility of waging a war with the owner of a platform on their platform though. These mods did everything right: abiding by all rules, ensuring by vote that their user communities overwhelmingly support the changes. But it doesn't matter. Because it's reddit, the admins hold all the cards. This has been kind of fun to watch and there's really some brilliant moves by mods in these cases, but at the end of the day for real results the only way to win is to build a better community elsewhere.
I can't wait for reddit to have to pay employees to moderate these subreddits.
Reddit is totally justified in this. The users are actively and maliciously trying to hurt Reddit. However, this is in response to many many completely unjustifiable actions from Reddit. Mostly the lies.
If they had just come out and said "we're killing the API in 6-12 months", as others before them have done, they would have seen much less pushback, but they had to lie over and over again about "not killing 3rd party apps" and "working with developers".
The hypocritcal thing here is that Worldpolitics did this years ago and reddit didn't care.
What rules did these subreddits break in order for Reddit's actions to be justified here?
I don't know that they are breaking any rules, but regardless they are malicious in intent, which is really what matters. And if you're going to argue otherwise, you're being completely disingenuous.
I'm happy that this finally created enough drama to shed enough users to make reddit alternatives viable. It's a good think they exploded so spectacularly and Im glad that mods are fighting back because the subreddit drama created again will cause reddit to shake off more users.
That said its reddit's right to close their api, and I dont even begrudge spez for wanting to sell out for a fat check. It would have still rubbed a lot of redditors wrong and the result would shake off a lot of users, but if they handled it a little more tactfully they could have gotten less heat. Still despite being technically correct and despite making things worse by being dipshits I cant imagine it would have blown over all the way.
This is what happens when we centralize our entire message board and community and fan experience in one 1st party controlled private business.
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