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Hamas and Israeli hardliners are two sides of the same coin. The choice is not one hardline faction or the other; it is between fundamentalists and all those who still believe in the possibility of peaceful co-existence. There can be no compromise between Palestinian and Israeli extremists, who must be combatted with a full-throated defense of Palestinian rights that goes hand-in-hand with an unwavering commitment to the fight against anti-Semitism.

Utopian as this may sound, the two struggles are of a piece. We can and should unconditionally support Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorist attacks. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories. Those who think there is a “contradiction” in this position are the ones who are effectively blocking a solution.

both-sides zizek-theory

We can and should unconditionally defend US slave owners' property rights. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by enslaved people.

We can and should unconditionally support Nazi Germany's right to rid itself of undesirables. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by those placed in concentration camps.

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[–] 66 points 3 years ago (7 children)

So we should defend Israel's "right" here but "sympatheize" with the desperate and hopeless?

Isn't the former more tangible than the latter?

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  • [–] 59 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    zizek is a dumbass. hate how he constantly makes metaphors to SV. honestly anyone that does that needs to be thrown in a pit

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    [+] 56 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 54 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Palestine has tried being peaceful, and was given sniper fire for the trouble.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 years ago*

    Utopian as this may sound

    yeah zizek, you're right, that is insanely utopian. nonsensical and completely detached from physical reality, if you would

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  • [–] 50 points 3 years ago

    A toast to the troops. All the troops. Both sides.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    What a long winded way of saying "both sides".

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    [–] 40 points 3 years ago

    Always a good sign when self-declared Hegelians/dialectical materialists start denying that something is a contradiction

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    So he basically has the same nuanced understanding of the situation as my dad. Cool

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    [–] 39 points 3 years ago

    No country has a right to commit genocide for "self defense".

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    We can and should unconditionally support Israel’s right to defend itself

    Fucking why must we do this, Zizek?

    For one, I reject any definition of "defense" that includes bombing territory you do not control. Attacking in retribution is what it is. Second, accepting Israel's right to "defend" itself can only occur if you accept the right of "Israel" (meaning a Jewish ethnostate at the eastern end of the Mediterranean) to be something that ought to exist in the first place. To do this is to accept Zionism on its face as some sort of axiom. Why should any self-proclaimed socialist accept any ethnostate? A society that does not accept all cultures as equal is not one that should be propped up or supported.

    He also accepts the framing of "anyone opposed to Israel is an anti-semite", but takes the slightly more nuanced view that "anyone who supports Palestinian statehood is not necessarily an anti-Semite". How brave.

    Anyway this is trash. Almost everyone now recognizes that letting white people draw lines on a map is a recipe for disaster except in the case of Israel for some reason.

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    [–] 38 points 3 years ago

    terrorist attacks

    Westoid ass

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Those who think there is a “contradiction” in this position are the ones who are effectively blocking a solution.

    Oh, so ideas are the things blocking things from change. Here, I thought it was the people with guns upholding an imperial project. If we just change people's minds, the conflict will be resolved. What a relief, that sounds way easier.

    Did this guy ever even pretend to be a materialist or did lacan fry his brain from the outset?

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    [–] 36 points 3 years ago

    he already is eating from the trash can all the time

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago

    It is honestly incredible that every single theorist I was introduced to in college social history (as an alternative to Marxist theorists) has turned out to be complete and utter dogshit.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    As bad as i imagined. Straight from the trash can zizek-ok

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Zizek should stick to hotdogs

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    unwavering commitment to the fight against anti-Semitism.

    when you definitely have a good understanding of zionism

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    [–] 31 points 3 years ago (58 children)

    Hamas and Israeli hardliners are two sides of the same coin. The choice is not one hardline faction or the other; it is between fundamentalists and all those who still believe in the possibility of peaceful co-existence.

    Bro why should there be "peaceful co-existence" between a people and an invading nation, the very existence of which in any capacity is contingent on the violent forceful displacement and genocide of the said people?

    I thought this guy does his research? Doesn't he know about how Israel came to be, how it destroyed Palestine and relentlessly torments the survivors in a concentration camp hell? Has Zizek gone senile?

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    [–] 30 points 3 years ago

    We can and should unconditionally support Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorist attacks. But we also must unconditionally sympathize with the truly desperate and hopeless conditions faced by Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories. Those who think there is a “contradiction” in this position are the ones who are effectively blocking a solution.

    we can and should unconditionally support a lion's right to defend itself from the person its eating. but we also must unconditionally sympathize with the conditions faced by the person being eaten by the lion. those who think there is a contradiction is blocking the solution!

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    [–] 29 points 3 years ago

    I wasn’t expecting much, but goddamnit did he really have to go with the pogrom comparison? It’s beyond intellectually bankrupt, completely ignores the historical context of pogroms being against the disenfranchised, not committed by them. Using it here has serious “reverse racism” vibes.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    "Unconditionally" is not just an interchangeable synonym of "profoundly".

    Words mean things.

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    That is nuclear waste tier of shit takes coming from Zizek

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    How can such a smart man be so fucking stupid all the fucking time.

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    [–] 25 points 3 years ago

    "You have to understand here, the HREAL antisemitism is not the idea that Jews cannot integrate into civilizations outside Israel and so forth. Rather the - and this will be controversial - solution to the Israel-Palestine contradiction is that we must support ONLY the hard-line Zionist and Islamist factions if we are to be impartial to reality."

    Didn't even need to read the article as soon as I saw the title I knew it would be some stupid galaxy-brain shit

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago

    70 years of negotiating yet isnreal still doing slow rolling ethnic cleansing. Support one state solution then dipshit

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago

    Azov Zizek strikes again

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago

    Tired of this guy

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago

    cool, I read the first 3 words and got everything I needed from it, another careerist fence sitter

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Can someone explain to me why r/chapotraphouse seemed to fucking love this guy? Everything I hear from Zizek makes me think less and less of him

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    [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I hope he creamed himself at least 10 times while writing this pseudo intellectual garbage caus that would be the only good thing that it would have brought to this world

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    [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    I'm not exaggerating when I say I clicked off after three words.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    Don't even know what to say about this guy anymore. I'm not going to read this whole thing, but the excerpt sounds like a generic western lib op-ed. Is this just what he does now? Goddamn, dude. Either his brain is cooked or he's on the CIA payroll now.

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    [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    "Yes, honey..."

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