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[–] 187 points 11 months ago (20 children)

After renting a couple cars with electronic door poppers, I find them plainly worse than mechanical door latches. They're a solution in search of a problem, and some implementations are hazardous.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    I think having an electric popper on top of an mechanical door latch (actual door handles are standard mechanic, but there's solenoid that can actuate them independently) is okay if you can find an actual usecase.

    I mean sure still stupid but at least it isn't dangerous.

    Same way electric locks have worked for the past 30 years on cars.

    An old civic might be able to unlock from a key fob, but that's only an electronically controlled solenoid controlling a lock which is mechanical in nature, and who's main user-accessible interaction point is mechanically linked to the lock.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    I think having an electric popper on top of an mechanical door latch is okay

    The problem with having both is that the electronic one is always the primary one, and the one people will use daily. In particular Tesla hides the mechanical ones really well. So in an emergency situation, people panic and have no idea where it is or how to use it.

    Same way electric locks have worked

    Electric locks actually serve a purpose though. And they're not a danger to passengers inside. What purpose do electric door handles serve? Other than being more prone to failure, more expensive, and dangerous?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I hear they are a solution to the problem of increasing mileage/efficiency. I am no fan of Tesla, but we have to admit, there is some merit to that argument, however debatable the efficiency benefits are.

    That's not to say safety isn't a serious issue. The biggest problem is the reliance on electronics. Now if someone can reinvent the design with a highly reliable mechanical system, with multiple redundancy.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    To my knowledge, there are designs which allow you to pop out the latch without the need for electronics.

    However, if I'm reading the article correctly those wouldn't be allowed either because in their default state they don't have "enough room for a hand to grip behind them". That wording alone explicitely bans flush doorhandles, and not just electronic doorhandles

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    [–] 160 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    Tesla disregarded all knowledge about automotive door safety to make a more expensive and much more dangerous door handle.

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  • [–] 46 points 11 months ago* (16 children)

    This is what libertarians do for literally everything.

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  • [–] 92 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    "That's harder than it sounds."

    Is it, though? Is it really? We've been making manual car door latches for 100 years.

    It's only hard for Musk, and only because he just doesn't want to do it.

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    [–] 91 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    Opel Corsa 1993 presents:

    Flat aerodynamic door handles.

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    [–] 84 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I read the article. It sounds like the auto makers concern is that they don't think they have been given enough time to solve the problem (the problem being one which may kill people while we wait for a solution).

    I think we should give them all the time they want, as long as they stop selling cars without safe door handles RIGHT NOW.

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  • [–] 80 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    The issues could cascade beyond the design. The auto manufacturing industry operates on strict production schedules. Though it builds in time to validate and test whatever new features come in each new model, the sudden intro of a design change late in the process could throw off the delicate timetable.

    FFS, it's a bloody door handle, not full self driving tech. Author is full of BS.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of upvotes here, and I think they're ignoring how much is involved in production pipelines and the overhead of sourcing suppliers. That said, Musk has a habit of throwing in last minute changes and the company manages to handle those but much like self driving they ship late

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah let's see, if the handle would have to be a different shape, they may need a different cutout for the door, different handle moulds, different mechanical parts, updated electronics... does anyone have a fucking clue how difficult it is to program one of those robotic arms? How expensive new moulds are? Any other potential knock-on effects this may have on the internal design?

    People with the mentality of 'it's just a small plug at the bottom of the pool, how bad could it possibly be if we removed it'

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You do not know or believe how much shit has to be pipelined to get a simple change on a car design going on the market. If you have knowledge about computers, you quickly notice that the hardware and software running in a car are OLD. I've seen cars sold as new with processors so old, they are "no longer recommended for new designs". This is because every single thing has to be tested and approved to death in a car. Sometimes several times over.

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    [+] 67 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)
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    [–] 62 points 11 months ago (28 children)

    I’m calling corpo lobbied bullshit. 2 years is enough time to put a normal door handle on your car.

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    [–] 49 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Is this because the door handle is some complicated electronic mechanism rather than a latch? Gee who could have possibly predicted that would be a problem.

    My neighbour has a Tesla and last year I had great fun watching her trying to defrost her car enough to get the door handle to even come out.

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    [–] 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Load of uninformed B.S. from the supply chain expert. There’s not a door out there that isn’t full of empty space.

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    [–] 34 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    harder than it sounds... yeah the technology isn't there yet! we need research and scientific breakthrough to invent a door handle that you can actually handle. no one's even thought of the concept before.

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    [–] 30 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I hate fucking "flush handles". Good riddance to terrible garbage.

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    [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    Big government is oppressing small businesses again! Thanks Obama!

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    Cry me a river.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Could they just use regular fucking door handles?

    I remember when people kept trying to assert that Tesla is a "luxury" brand, though it seems that this pretense has finally been dropped. Even so, surely they can figure out something that doesn't seem to be an issue for even the cheapest tier of vehicles available in USDM.

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    [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    The problem is this bullshit was allowed on the road in the first place.

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