With just over 24 hours before the government is set to shutdown, Donald Trump and congressional leaders from both parties emerged from a high-stakes White House meeting on Monday with no agreement, setting the stage for large swaths of the federal government to close after midnight Wednesday.

The impasse came after closed-door talks between the four top congressional leaders and Trump in the Oval Office, where lawmakers appeared to trade blame but make little progress towards a deal. “There are still large differences between us,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters after the meeting, claiming that Republicans refused to engage on their core demands around health care and restoring previous funding cuts.

“Their bill has not one iota of Democratic input,” he added, taking aim at a House-passed seven-week stopgap funding bill that Senate Democrats rejected last week. “That is never how we’ve done this before.”

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[–] 145 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Trump wants this shutdown. He was never gonna deal.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's a budget, he needs 50 votes and there's 53 senators with a R by their names...

    If there's a shutdown it's cuz trump ordered it.

    Schumer "negotiating" just makes it easier for idiots to blame it on Dems.

    Mainstream media at large is acting like budget reconciliation isn't a thing...

    The procedure overrides the Senate's filibuster rules, which may otherwise require a sixty-vote supermajority for passage. Bills described as reconciliation bills can pass the Senate by a simple majority of fifty-one votes or fifty votes plus the vice president's as the tie-breaker.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)

    trump doesn't need a single D vote in the House or Senate to pass a budget, he just doesn't want to

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wasn't that what they passed in July?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    All the more reason to use it once the new fiscal year starts....

    If Schumer caves, they can abuse the rule and pass something 1000x times shittier under reconciliation.

    They were able to pass that a few months ago, because they didn't use reconciliation for last year's budget, it was just a CR all year

    Which is likely what will happen again, and why Schumer would be a giant fucking idiot to negotiate just so Republicans don't have to use it.

    Like, good point, but it just brings us full circle.

    Quick edit:

    Because Senate can use reconciliation once a fiscal year

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No he doesn't. He needs to pay ICE agents. He needs the government to stay open.

    Shutting the government down and keeping it shut down inhibits his ability to progress with fascism.

    Shut the government down and what happens to the soldiers deployed to US streets?

    No. Shut it the fuck down. Its idiotic to allow it to stay open.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I know some things continue to operate no matter what. I don't remember if ICE do. I'm sure border patrol continues to operate to some extent, but I have no idea to what degree. The same for the military. They still continue to some degree, but they have to scale down what jobs get done.

    This is a long way to say, yes. I agree with you. However, it won't stop totally.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    They have the majority. Should have told them to make a deal with themselves if they actually give a shit.

    But controlled opposition, doing controlled opposition things, to maintain the illusion of democracy.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Time can go fuck itself for this bullshit headline. "Democrats leave White House with no deal"?

    How about "Republicans refuse Democrat deal, setting stage for Republican Government shutdown"

    Or maybe something like "Republicans Refuse To Give Americans Benefits and Medical they Pay For, Govenment Shutdown Imminent"

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    It is pretty obvious, the narrative has been completely captured. All news only reports what these imbeciles say. No pushback, always giving them the deference.

    This happened after 9/11 in a very pronounced way. No serious or widespread criticism was allowed in mainstream media. Although the government did apply some pressure it was mostly voluntary.

    What do you do when all the pseudo rulling institutions capitulate to a tyrant willingly? What happen when the government becomes indistinguishable from the mob?

    The answer is not much, because it has happened many times before already. People need to wake up.

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    [–] 82 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Americans will never miss their water until the well runs dry.

    It's not that Americans are all racist, or all ignorant... it's that enough of them don't spare a thought to think things through until it effects them personally.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Welcome to life in America. Where intelligence and common sense aren't so common. People will literally kill you so they can happily vote against their own interests.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Truth.

    Living in Canada is like having crazy downstairs neighbours but for some reason one of our roommates keeps inviting them upstairs.

    I have not been to the USA in a decade. Literally the only reason I'll ever, ever, return is to visit Casa Bonita in Colorado... ideally on a layover.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Omg, I tried to get in there with almost a month planning ahead. NOPE.

    You may need to find a local with whatever lifetime gold membership they sold. Bribe them to take you or something.

    I had no idea it was so difficult to get in there. I signed up for the email where they will open a few times here and there, but as soon as the mail is sent, the reservations are gobbled up by the bots.

    I wish you all the luck.

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    [–] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Republicans don’t want a deal. Then they can make up whatever they want about democrats and claim they’re the problem and maneuver for more power grabs.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They can (and do) do that anyway. I don't think that's the plan here. To the halfway reasonable people, Republicans control congress. This is on them. The minority party's job us to play hardball. To the people listening to whatever Republicans say without question, it doesn't matter. They can make up anything they want a blame democrats. This doesn't do anything for them.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Why are Democrats trying to make deals with fascists is the real headline.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    TBF it is their job attend legislative sessions. I agree with the spirit of your comment.

    To answer your question... clearly the weren't trying that hard.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I disagree. I would argue that their job is to represent their constituents. Sometimes that might involve attending legislative sessions. Other times that might involve intentionally not engaging with the opposition party, if that is in the best interests of the constituents.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In this case, not engaging would mean intentionally choosing to shut down a government that has services that directly impact those constituents. Meeting with them is the bare minimum of their job.

    I can’t imagine Trump had any good faith negotiations so it’s a fool’s effort, but it’s their job to try, nonetheless.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    intentionally choosing to shut down a government that has services that directly impact those constituents.

    They should be shutting down the government. Not doing so is a derelection of their duty to their constituents and the constitution. Shutting down the government prevents DJT from doing more damage. Its a way the can actually stop/ stem the bleeding while being in the minority, and it would also show them having some spine.

    Going into any kind of negotiations with Trump is idiotic. Its not their job to keep giving Trump everything he needs to destroy the country.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Let the federal government stay that way. Blue states should start picking up services where the federal government left off. And the feds don't need their tax money, either.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Democrats caved to Trump the last time, they better not cave this time.

    I think that's why Reps are gearing up for war. This could get nasty.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was the lone Democrat to vote with a majority of Republicans in favor of the bill on Sept. 19

    I think we can all safely say that Fetterman isn't a Democrat anymore. He should be ejected from the party.

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    yeah we all know trumps diplomatic skills he put on display at the un. Our country can survive if republicans grow a pair and impeach this guy.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Better headline, US government will shutdown because Republicans don’t want meet Democrat request for votes that are required to keep the government open, in exchange for allowing poor people or those in terrible situations to have a functioning health coverage safety net.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who could have ever predicted this?

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What did anyone expect anything different?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The Republicans shut down the government to prevent the release of the Epstein files.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Good, let it shut down. Let the people know that Republicans can't govern and will 100% abandon them to protect Trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Genuine question, can't they just...not shut down?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong but they have an agreed debt ceiling and without an agreement raising it they're essentially out of money to fund federal stuff. I mean not really, but they are.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    "Anarchists celebrate and say let's keep it that way"

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