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[–] 193 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I had to think about this for an embarrassingly long time before I realise this was America and they don't have the NHS. In the UK you should absolutely provide your identity to the hospital, so it can go on your medical record.

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Out of pocket visit to the Dr, about $15-$20 Urgent care, $25 -$75 Emergency room, $100-$350

    These are JUST FOR SHOWING UP AND HAVING INSURANCE, WHICH WE PAY $1000 MONTHLY. The rest of the bill is charged once you leave, mostly 50% of the remaining services.

    Most people with work insurance are paying 40-50 percent, and their cost as an employee is calculated as their wages plus their benefits.

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    America is a dystopia. It's perfectly capitalist.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I honestly believe Trump is here because we almost went to universal health care.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I honestly believe Trump is here because we almost went to universal health care.

    Trump is here because you elected a reasonable black man (not even progressive , just reasonable, willing to comprimise etc) and the racists lost their fucking minds and went "I want the opposite, the guy that's saying this guy came from kenya (lie)".

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    Taxes pay more for healthcare per person in the US than the NHS. So taxpayers pay enough taxes for healthcare to get free healthcare, but then they have to pay a premium per month to get healthcare, but then they have to pay for more than the service cost in copays to pay for healthcare.

    It is insane how americans are paying for triple or more for healthcare and getting none,

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    [–] 158 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    When I'm having a medical emergency at home, my first step is always to get into my car and drive at least 5 miles away.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    there have been several cases over the years of people plowing their car into the ER waiting room when the heat attack / stroke finally gets too severe.

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  • [–] 92 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    In case people are missing the joke the reason is so that they can't find you to bill you.

    This doesn't actually work quite like this, but it's a funny joke none the less.

    Especially if you've been to that hospital before. And if you have any medical records anywhere.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If you have medical records, do they keep a DNA record of you?

    If you don't keep a record of yourself and don't have any ID on yourself when you call, if you don't give a name can they match your DNA or something?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Theoretically this is possible to do if you've avoided any documentation your entire life, or more likely, the hospital staff just dont care enough and forget to find out who you really are before letting you leave.

    But realistically the hospital is going to have the cops come in and do a background check on you before even letting you get further care after lifesaving measures. And if you dont give up your information then your most likely getting ICE called on your ass...

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    none of that is going to happen. hospitals in america are required to provide care in emergencies, no matter if you have documentation or not. you're not getting ICE called (no hospital is going to do that) and no cops are going to come in to do a background check (what would they check? you don't have any ID, you're not required to provide an ID, there's no crime being committed).

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    [–] 58 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I like this idea but I struggle to believe it would work.

    Went to the hospital for a kidney stone a few years ago. When I was released, 3 security guards crowded the front door to the hospital and wouldn’t let me leave for an extra hour and a half because they were adamant I had to pay my bill then and there.

    They had all my information, didn’t even bother trying to go through my insurance, just “no, you owe us 2400 right now” and threatening to call the cops.

    Me, a 110lbs woman fucked up on dilauded was ready to tussle but ended up paying before I left cause I didn’t want to deal with the police.

    They ended up charging me, and then my insurance as well. I talked to my insurance who then bullied them into paying me back. Took 6 months but I did manage to get paid back.

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    [–] 58 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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    [–] 54 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Does this even work? Will they even treat you or let you leave without ID?

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  • [–] 69 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    theyre only required by law to stabilize you. youre not getting 'cured'.

    if you lose a finger for example, they don't have to put it back on.. only prevent you from bleeding out.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Stabilize for anyone unfamiliar is

    Probably not going to die in the next 24 hours from easily identifiable injuries.

    Because then they can become liable.

    You can be very unhealthy with multiple broken bones, cancer, be dying softly and still be "stable".

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes they will treat you. But they will harass the shit out of you. I couldn’t properly identify myself or another victim after a critical accident and the other person almost lost their arm. I was failing all the other questions too (date, president, etc) but they wouldn’t stop asking like clockwork. It took hours to get an MRI and xray. I had two broken vertebrae in my upper back and severely concussed. They just kept giving the other passenger blood transfusions but refused to operate. They finally did a temp surgery on their arm but didn’t do a full surgery until after they were identified and it was confirmed they were well insured (union). It was a mess. Hospital and medical insurance took their entire settlement as payment for that shitty service too. We were struck by a drunk driver. Oh, and we both had stellar insurance (different unions but good insurance) and neither ambulance would take it. 5k for mine and I think theirs was more. And again, the whole settlement went to the insurance to pay the hospitals for that stellar bedside manner of letting me suffer for hours confused af and them almost die and lose their arm. Second surgeon was not happy. The other guy also was checked in as a John Doe at another hospital and they lost all of their teeth and most of their lower jaw. Also horrible delayed service. They care more about figuring out who you are so they know you’re “in network” than treating you.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They are legally required to stabilize you. That is to say, they they will not heal you, they'will not cure you. They get you stable enough to get you the fuck out of the door.

    If you have cancer. They will not do shit.

    If you have a broken bone. They will straighten it, if they can, no cast, and kick you r the fuck out. You will still have a broken bone, and you will still need surgery to heal it.

    Been bounced before with broken bones. It sucked.

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  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Every time I hear about American healthcare it makes me appreciate the NHS that little bit more.

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    [–] 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I went to the hospital for a cough (it was ultimately pneumonia). It was a holiday so Drs weren't open.

    During intake they determined I was a "threat to myself and others", detained me, and drugged me.

    They tried to make me foot the bill and sent me to collections without any prior notice months later.

    I disputed it with credit. And explained the situation, how I was held against my will and how they exceeded the scope of care.

    The credit bureau surprisingly sided with me and cleared my credit of any wrong doing.

    I later found out that several American hospitals were needlessly drugging adolescents and it was a huge problem.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    This is probably a bot, but also potentially someone in psychosis doing their psychosis shit.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why? What benefit could I possibly have to keep my identity a secret in a hospital emergency? They need access to my NHS records so they know my medical history, blood type, current medications, etc.

    They'd treat me regardless, but it would be very weird and suspicious if I didn't identify myself. They might even call the police because of it, because who does that?

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    [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    In the USA, they care more about the health of your wallet than your health.

    To any Euros reading this: yes, it's that bad. Even worse, most people call it "the best" system in the world.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This is counterproductive to my goals of having the most medical debt of any American to ever live and then die without paying. I'm playing for high score

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    [–] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I recently had my first medical emergency, and I'm in the USA. It actually is pretty abysmal.

    In my case, I wasn't literally on death's door, but I had an injury that I could not stop the bleeding from (and obviously could not tell how bad things were).

    So, the first responder was able to control the bleeding during the ambulance ride. And once that part was done, they moved right into the ID, billing info, and insurance info right there in the ambulance.

    I still needed additional emergency care, of course. So, we arrive at the emergency room, they check my vitals, and then as soon as the nurse is done with that part, and before I received any treatment, they were asking me for the same ID, billing info, and insurance questions.

    Even with insurance that costs nearly $1,000 USD a month, I had to pay entirely for the ambulance ride and the emergency room doctor's fees (both were classified as out of network), as well as the co-insurance (20% of the inflated "insurance" cost for treatment that was "in-network"), and so on.

    So I can understand why this type of advice is going around.

    On the other hand, if your emergency room visit requires follow-up care and/or prescription medication, giving false (or no) identifying information will complicated that part so I hope you have good black/grey market connections or a relative with a pharmacy's worth of old prescriptions they didn't finish.

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    [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Have you even considered public healthcare?

    I mean, c'mon... No other country in in the world goes through that shit....

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    [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Last year I had to be taken to the hospital for an emergency and stayed for three days.
    This is how much I was billed:

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