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[–] 187 points 3 years ago (41 children)

Internet was better when it was a bunch of forums and personal web pages

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (31 children)

    We can get it back, and the antitrust trials are a big part of actually doing it

    https://youtu.be/rimtaSgGz_4?si=fQc-lIFzT-0hoeNv

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  • [–] 68 points 3 years ago* (27 children)

    Sure we can but will we? No.

    Twitter has only lost ~10% of it's userbase after repeatedly abusing its own users. Reddit probably less. After everything we've learned about Meta, tens of millions of people signed up on day 1 to join their new service, Threads. Google Chrome still has like 80% market share.

    Changing is honestly a trivial ask, but we won't, because no one cares.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    It's not that no one cares, per se. We just live in a society where the majority of working adults are fucking exhausted. They have bills to pay, uncertain job security, seemingly constant climate crises/natural disasters in many geolocations (e.g. Canada and US West Coast wildfires, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.), hyper polarized partisanship in many countries (yeah, it isn't unique to the US), and on and on. That Google, Microsoft, or Amazon own the internet is such a low priority to the much more immediate, life threatening/living security concerns of the majority of people.

    I care, but I also understand why many people do not.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Man, I would love to run a Linux box and still be able to run the like 4 programs I use my computer for, but I don't have any interest in running an OS I have to build and make work. I got Redhat working once (feels like a million years ago) and I am just not that interested in my PC anymore. It's a tool. I want it to work without any fiddling on my part. It has exactly 5 programs it ever has to run. I touch it on the weekends. Windows it is.

    This is me agreeing with you in every way.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    The internet was better when it was Usenet and Gopher.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    Honestly, the internet was at its best when it was the fever dream of stoned, sexually frustrated grad students at Berkley. Infinite potential - it could've been anything. Could've. But wouldn't. The real thing, after it became fully saturated in everyday American life, was always going to be some mediocre, watered down corporate cesspool of lowest common denominator, hyper-sanitized garbage. Because that's what people like. They like safe, familiar, predictable, and uncomplicated. Well, most people.

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  • [–] 115 points 3 years ago (27 children)

    Yup. It definitely feels like over time the human element of the Internet has been replaced by a corporate one. The most blatant example I can think of is youtube. Nowadays it's so obvious rigged in the favour of already established media and a select few content creators.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I miss the day when you could search YouTube for something like "JFK skyclub" and actually get video of the Skyclub at JFK. Today you'll get 15-minute videos that are 90% a guy talking about his thoughts on JFK, or Skyclub, or airlines, or whatever. If you're really lucky, some of them may feature a few seconds of actual footage of Skyclub.

    It's not just Skyclub or travel videos. If I search for "repair mr coffee" I want to see a howto, not someone's SEO-optimized long winded lecture about whatever coffeemakers they're selling.

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    [–] 88 points 3 years ago (29 children)

    Worse than what? Paying Atlantic for a subscription?

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  • [–] 107 points 3 years ago (18 children)

    Whether we like the Atlantic or not, I feel like at some point if we want quality journalism we need to fund it.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago* (10 children)

    I agree, but

    They did it to themselves by starting out with free journalism everywhere on the net. And then it took them far too long to finally realize that ads alone weren't going to pay the bills. If they had stuck with the magazine rack style from the get go (pay for it + ads) it wouldn't be an issue.

    If you give everything away for free for thirty years, Then make it worse, and then suddenly charge for it, you're going to have a hard time getting money.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    But do paywalls actually encourage people to pay? I would point out that NPR/PBS and The Guardian are at least partially funded by the people but still offer news for free and it seems to work.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Fair point. I don't mean to suggest that authors don't deserve to be paid for their work. And while the article discusses Google and Amazon's attempts to manipulate online behavior to drive up their profits, I remember a time when paywalls were a rare exception rather than the rule while reading articles online.

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    [–] 36 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Simple, capitalism found a new promised land. The next space to fill up. And manifest destiny within.

    Unfortunately but fortunately as well, it's an infinite space. Early money has built large infrastructure within it. It's been built over time and now is so massive it's hard to comprehend in the real world. It's nearly impossible to compete with them other than them tearing themselves down, but the space is still nearly infinitely large and competitors can still rise in the fringe and who knows after decades maybe rise to the same kinda massive company

    So now we must limit the infinite. Cull all of it to the finite they can control. The virtual world is real, the metaverse is already upon us, and unfortunately it's already starting to look like the late capitalism asphalt shopping plazas.

    So it's worse cause it's built for the investors and being limited for them too. It's why people beg for the next BIG thing, so that they can find new land or new ways to control this 4th space.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    so that they can find new land or new ways to control this 4th space. Pretty sure that Meta was meant to be the next big market space.

    I think Zuckerberg was expecting all of us to sit in a chair with VR headsets on all day and buy buy buy.

    I personally feel like it's a total invasion of my privacy because it learns "me" and then tries to influence my every move a lot more intimately than cookies in a browser does.

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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Take me back to the days of FFVII's Aerith Theme midi playing in the background of someone's Geocities site dedicated to Chrono Trigger. The non-consumer driven Web...

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Tell me no one actually needed to be told that. Please. For my sanity.

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    Its time to 'AT&T' Alphabet/Google/YouTube.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    Trust corporations to ruin something people enjoy.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago

    Funny, but this isn't the best example. The Atlantic has been a subscription magazine for coming on 200 years now. It's also one of the few places you can get non click bait articles without ads.

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    Well, it definitely gets the point across lol

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    [–] 16 points 3 years ago

    I thought this was the joke

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago

    Good old atlantic coming to the correct conclusion for the wrong reasons.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I would get off google if I were you

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I strangely feel very conflicted over Google. I have a Pixel phone which supports the security hardened GrapheneOS.

    Were it not for Google allowing their phones to be so easily rooted, I'd probably be with Apple, who have their own egregious privacy invading practices.

    Google also left rss feeds available on Youtube, which essentially allowed me to easily move my subscriptions to my rss feeder instead of outright subscribing. Then, thanks to Invidious, I just use an extension to reroute any time I visit that channel/video.

    Grant you, Google could easily remove these features that strangely enough allow for easy migration away from their platform, and I can definitely see a future where they do just that.

    It just is such a strange thing for a company to have these built in aspects to their products that literally allow you to migrate away from their platform.

    To be clear, I'm not suggesting that this gives Google some sort of pass to do as they please. I haven't used Google search regularly in a very long time. I still use their email and calendar solely because my current job team uses it as one of their main scheduling tools, but would prefer if we used something like a NextCloud instance.

    In short, I have done some things to get away from Google's suite of software and will continue to do so, but these strange loopholes, especially the interesting relationship Pixel/GrapheneOS has, make me wonder about how Google could still make certain products and remain a smaller, much more regulated, part of the Internet as a whole...

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    I believe what you meant to write is "The internet IS worse"

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Capitalism does not work well when companies are too big. No one can compete unless you are already very rich. That sucks.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Well... you gotta hand it to them, that's a succinct summary.

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