"Left-wing extremism" is a disingenuous way to describe what happens on .ml. It would be more accurately described as "anti-western propaganda."
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I don't need to be a fucking tankie to recognize the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.
The problem with the term Zionism is that it is extremely broad. It technically "just" describes believing that there should be some type of culturally Jewish dominated country. That can mean ethno state but it can also just mean religious holidays are bank hollidays, the same way Christmas is a holiday in many majority Christian countries.
Anti-Zionist as a term is therefore practically useless without a more detailed definition describing what kind of Zionism one means.
I assume their problem is mostly with the "Israelis are colonisers and therefore don't have any right to live anywhere near the region" line of argument. But then again they are from the UK, a country that criminalised Palastine Action, so who knows...
TLDR: you can be a Zionist and still be opposed to the current actions of the Israeli military.
What Zionism as an ideology means has been changing over the course of history. However the goal of a Jewish national state has been achieved in 1948. Everything beyond that had just been expanionism. And 1948 already came with a devastating ethnic cleansing and land annexation.
The study is disingenious in trying to legitimize Zionism, by presenting Anti-Zionism as an extremist idea, rather than acknowledging what it opposes today.
Certainly not. But Russia's genocide in Ukraine? China's genocide in Tibet and Xinjiang? Does one have to be a tankie to deny them?
I think those denials might be defining traits of a tankie, so...yes?
If those are the defining traits then why are they called Tankies and not something related to that?
The term tankies originally comes fro Qm the tianamean square massacre, in which the Chinese government ordered tanks to run over studenta who were protesting. People who denied that this ever happened were called tankies. Nowadays its more of a broad term who deny, that authoritarian regimes like China, North Korea or Russia di anything bad.
It's older.
The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring
Seems like Trump declassified docs about it, and it has nothing to do with TS. https://www.joewrote.com/p/jfk-files-reveal-the-cia-role-in
Interesting. May look into it later. The thing I described was the stuff I heard.
OK, this doesn't say anything about the term tankie except the author's supposition, which doesn't align to the common understanding, so I don't think it's accurate. This is about the CIA using a "Nazi turned communist turned anti-communist" to fight the USSR. It's just modern tankies using anti-western propoganda to say "actually, it's the Fascists who are tankies!"
Look, the CIA is bad, and the US has done a lot of bad things. This argument is bullshit though. If you read the article you can see that. It has nothing to do with the word tankie except that the author brings up that the USSR sent tanks (as part of the army) in their direction. This isn't the origin of the word tanky almost certainly, and isn't used in any of the stuff referenced. You should read more critically.
I haven't seen anything with commies calling others tankies. Is tankie a term for a group of people or a slur to you?
Also seems like you didnt know that the term tankie comes from the said hungarian uprising mentioned here.
Also seems like you didnt know that the term tankie comes from the said hungarian uprising mentioned here.
Again, there's no evidence for that. It's the author's supposition and nothing more. You're taking the hunch of one author, who says it's just a guess, as fact.
Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring…
from the wikipedia page.
I may be misinterpreting what the author of the article you posted meant by this:
"Király’s newfound army fought bloody street battles against the pro-Soviet faction comprised of Hungarian troops, policemen, and civilians. Moscow sent Red Army troops and tanks (hence the name “tankie”) into Budapest and agreed to students’ demands to let Imre Nagy run the government."
To me, it sounds like he's trying to define the people standing up against the Red Army as tankies, rather than the people supporting them. Maybe he meant the well understood meaning of the supporters of the Red Army being tankies. The article to me reads like he's trying to redifine it to say "actually, tankies don't support authoritarian crackdowns on freedom." Again, I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like they're saying to me, which is the opposite of the well understood meaning.
Pretty fucked up to put being against Israel's crimes in the same breath as cheering authoritarian violence from Russia, China and North Korea. Somehow it's both bad to cheer for authoritarian violence and to be against authoritarian violence.
more nuanced understanding of political extremism
proceeds to conflate anti-Zionist with antisemetic
…I'm beginning to think I know who funded this research…
I am observing the discourse here on Lemmy for a while and my honest opinion is: It's not only Lemmygrad and other special platforms, its the network as a whole - it is turning into an extreme-left cesspool akin to what is X and Truth Social for the right.
So apparently it's extremism to be against fascism. That's interesting.
You can not be against fascism and endorse the russian genocide on the ukrainian people.
Sure no argument. You also can't be against Fascism and be a Zionist though. Zionism is fascism.
You assuming that i'm a zionist without knowing anything about me makes it kinda obvious that you are radicalized, bud.
Is everyone you don't agree with a Zionist? Where do you get this from?
Fuck Netanjahu. Fuck Putin. Fuck Trump. Fuck everything and everyone that won't bring peace to Palestine.
I wasn't calling you a Zionist at all. I was using second person plural just like you were in your comment to me. Or at least I assumed you were. Now I'm starting to question that a bit...
As for where I got the Zionist thing from? The title. You read that far right? The title of this post? Where they conflate being anti-zionist with anti-Semitic?
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