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[–] 214 points 1 year ago (39 children)

Why the hell are they trying to build data centers in the fucking Sonoran Desert anyway.

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  • [–] 158 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It's not their water, so they don't care. When it finally runs out, they'll just go somewhere else.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, sure, that's their plan, but you can only do that so many times before you run out of money, materials, water, or places to build. If ever there was proof that there's no forward thinking in this tech bubble, this would be it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    True but this isn't specific to the tech bubble. It's a feature of capitalism. Competition forces firms to adopt shorter term horizons. If a firm has significant profit to make by focusing on the short term and it does not, its competitor would. If the profit possoble within this period is significant, having the competitor collect it runs the risk of the current firm failing, or the competitor accumulating enough for hostile takeover, among other failures. That would stop the current firm onwer from collecting profits in the future. Even if focusing on the long term is more profitable over time, firms may not survive in a competitive environment to realize long term profits. These are some of the fundamental processes that drive firms into short term horizons. With liquid asset markets there are even more immediate processes driving firms into short term planning.

    Add to that planning based mainly on prices, which don't capture a ton of reality and you get situations like a water hungry datacenter in the desert, cause the price of water does not capture its long term availability for example.

    All of this has happened in the past, even a century ago. It's happened and keeps happening in other industries too. For example the fossil fuel industry.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Low humidity. Good for longevity of electronics, and makes the evaporative cooling more efficient. So it’s a matter of the benefits of that vs. the cost of the added heat.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yeah, seems like a desert isn’t the best place to build something where cooling is a critical factor! Or building something that uses massive amounts of chemical treated water for cooling in a place that has had water scarcity concerns for generations, now.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't understand why they even need to use up water. Water cooling does not require you to evaporate the water. You can just keep it as a closed system and reuse the water.

    If nuclear power plants can manage it which would be easy for a server farm

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    [–] 139 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Good. This whole thing was stupid when the local government and utilities keep telling us little people to conserve water because, well we're in a 113 degree desert with a complete lack of water due to climate change and they wanted to do this bullshit.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Have you tried collecting the condensation off the glass? If you use that to wash your armpits you can go an extra day before you shower so Jeff Bezos can make numbers go up in his theoretical money.

    Edit: "Comical" thought. There is less than $2.5 trillion in cash circulating.

    That wouldn't cover 20 people net worth in a country of near 350,000,000.

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    [–] 59 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Amazon have how many data centers and they wanna be building more? Greedy cunts

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    [–] 53 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Why are data centers so thirsty anyway? Can't cooling systems just reuse water in a closed loop?

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  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    Evaporative cooling needs less water mass and less surface area for the same cooling effect. They could simply use bigger heat sinks outside the building and have a bigger water cooling system to make it closed loop, but they don't want to do that.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Then why the fuck do they keep wanting build them in the middle of the desert then?

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Cheap land, dry air is good for evaporative cooling, and many arid areas have a surprising amount of ground water. It ultimately comes down to being the cheapest option, not the smartest or best option.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So how long to the billionaires have that entire city council replaced with people who are in their pocket and will vote for its passing?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In the states? 1-2 years tops.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Trump will have them arrested on terrorism charges in a month...after a totally coincidental delivery of a golden idol to trump, from bezos

    edit I said this as a joke, and later found Apple recently gifted Trump a golden idol.

    God I miss when satire was silliness, and not psychic future sight.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Two more reasons not yet mentioned:

    It is close to a population center (Phoenix) keeping latency low to customers. Getting customers off the public Internet quickly and into your private network fast is best for a lot of reasons.

    Cheap and abundant solar power. Data centers are extremely power hungry and power lines are expensive so companies like Amazon almost always secure abundant power rights before building. Google built their first data center in The Dalles Oregon because an aluminum smelter had gone belly up and left a bunch of capacity unclaimed in a local hydroelectric dam.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    They absolutely can run closed loop. It does not cool as well as evaporative cooling (it takes MASSIVE heat to evaporate water) but it can work if designed right with large system capacity and big radiators. Trouble is it's likely more expensive than pissing away the water and we know all that matters is bottom line.

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Remember that time that Microsoft sunk a data center in the ocean, proved this was cost effective, was reliable and could scale? And now it's been five years and nothing happened? Yeah that was annoying.

    Anyway their site of glowing press releases is still up for some reason

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is a good showcase of how a few individuals can leverage power to fend off massive interests. For the good of the public even, in this instance.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    So they'll just go build it in Chandler with all the others instead, I guess?

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