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[–] 77 points 2 years ago (1 child)

The 90s are nothing. I remember a flock of seagulls from the 80s that are still flying around.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Any bird who lives primarily in the water is dumb as shit. They have unlimited protection above and around them, so they have zero adaptive pressure to put anything into their intelligence. Land birds have a lot to worry about so their brains are approaching human levels of intellect.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If the land birds get any smarter they're going to have to start worrying about a whole lot more. Like taxes, or rent.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean some birds have been shown exchanging money for goods and services, so it's not that far off.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh god no, someone needs to warn the birds about capitalism.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    A land bird flew into my window so hard I was worried it died this morning. This happens once a month to my knowledge and I don’t spend long in my bedroom outside sleeping. Land birds aren’t smart outside of a few select species lol

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not true at all. There's tons of adaptive pressure. If there weren't, we wouldn't see the thousands of pelagic and shorebird species that we do. But even if what you say about the threat from predation were true --its not-- there would still be adaptive pressure from differential reproduction rates and access to nutrients.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I’m sure there’s some seagull out there with a 1000-yard stare who went through the most fucked up shit of his life in the 90’s and still remembers it like it was yesterday. He hangs out down by the bars and drinks discarded alcohol out of the trash, trying to forget, and then flies around drunk bumping into things.

    The other seagulls look at him and shake their heads with pity “he used to be such a good gull.. so full of promise.”

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This reminds me of a talk I had with my dad, an equine veterinarian for 40 years. I'd seen that video of a horse eating a chick online and someone in the comments explained that horses are naturally opportunistic eaters and that's why it took the chance to munch it down. I confidently told him this later on and he said, 'nah, they're just stupid'.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't know that I'd trust an ornathologist to know how the brain chemistry works. But I do trust that they're dumb. Lacking memory isn't predictive of being dumb, but there's probably some correlation. Maybe seagulls have perfect memory but just want to flip human observers the bird.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ornithologists do actual science, they aren't just bird watchers. An ornithologist is pretty much the only one I would trust about this because they are the ones studying the birds.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Wait till this person hears about parrots

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    For real, there are at least some parrots that are likely to outlive their owners. Like if you get a pet parrot you do it considering you will likely pass it on to someone else in your fucking will.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    The sadder part of this is that many "pet" parrots live much shorter than their natural life in the wild because their owners don't know how to care for them. They're also extremely intelligent, some researchers argue that macaws can be considered sapient for example.

    Even more widespread problem with koi and goldfish. They can live well into their 80s and can grow up to many pounds over that time, yet most people have their goldfish die after two weeks and just assume that's their natural lifespan because they're irresponsible owners. Hint: that glass bowl is not cutting it, there isn't a single species of fish that can be healthy in a tank without an active circulation pump and filter. Also fun fact: the Western misconception that goldfish can be kept in bowls comes from the fact that in China and Japan where they originate, owners would sometimes put them in clay bowls to show them off (which were about a meter in diameter BTW, not the soccer ball sized bowls you see nowadays), they were kept in those bowls very rarely, they were traditionally raised in large ponds.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They wait for cruise ships to leave to grab fish trying to swim away. They're probably smarter than most people.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Based on the 2020 US election, we know at least 74,222,958 people that fall under the seagull intelligence standard.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    They have enough thought process to play. Watch them fly. They play in the thermals. Do all manner of aerobatics. They know how to steal from humans. That's not "dumb".

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think a lot of birds have more complex internal lives than people realize. I have chickens, amd all four of them have a distinct personality and feelings.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago*

    "The greatest trick the devil ever played was making man believe he doesn't exist"

    Those seagulls remember... and they'll have their revenge for that hot dog bun you scared them off in 04'. tick tok

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Since there is videos of seagulls hunting pigeons i'd say they are pretty smart birds. They just dont give a fuck to pretend around people.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Just because an animal is territorial and good at killing does not mean it's smart.

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    [+] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don’t remember the 90s either.

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