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Is the Fediverse stalling? (lemmy.relayeasy.com)
submitted 22 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I'm genuinely interested in people thoughts about the Fediverse because here in the UK it has massively stalled in 2025, like a lot of things. I am seeing way less posts from UK people and way less interaction and general use in fact. Most seem to have stopped social media use to be fair, and I know a lot of that is to do with my age (old fart here, 56 laps round sun and counting) but the numbers game look poor from my point of view. Do we think the Fediverse has a future now after useage appears to be going downwards? Is it a UK thing? (well I know the UK is weird but hey)

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

I browse lemmy exclusively, as a result of distaste for corporatization. Personally I have no reason to leave and I doubt I will anytime soon. I don't have any particular niches that I'm a part of, so the only thing that would cause me to leave is if the feed dried up. I usually open lemmy in the morning and scroll All - top 12h. I get an hour or so of scrolling before I reach posts with sub-10 votes. And that's all I really need. I'll be here until I can't do that anymore.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

That's an interesting question. I don't think the advantages of the fediverse are part of any zeitgeist so are not attracting new and diverse users other than maybe through places like Flipboard and maybe Ghost. The future of social media is certainly going to remain fragmented and the fediverse fragments itself by default anyway. I do think that how people use social media is changing; people are tired of overuse to some extent. Does the fediverse have a future? I think it'll remain its own niche as corporate offerings come and go. Increased Interest may come from an unexpected growth in a specialism that is federated. I think my idealism for what the fediverse could achieve is now muted as I probably no longer have faith in open networks as the cultures are way too different so I probably now see the fediverse less through the email analogy and more through the linux analogy. If fedi plods on refining itself in its own slow way (volunteers and no money make for slow progress) then who know the next time a corp offering destroys itself and people search for a less awful and exploitative environment then it might just win out in the long term though I'm not entirely convinced about that. Does that mean i'm off to corporate networks. Not really. I'd rather just stop altogether than fall down that rabbit hole again.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

According to my observations, the Fediverse grows whenever people look for alternative. People do that whenever their comfort is disturbed by material changes. E.g. Reddit gated app APIs, people's apps started shutting down, protest ensued, it failed, people looked for an alternative, many joined Lemmy as the obvious one. That created one of the largest spikes in active usage. There were others following that. There are network effects keeping people where they are unless there's a significant force pushing them to overcome that. And so I think the Fediverse would grow the same way it's grown so far. By being here for people whenever they can't say or read something the way they were previously able to, as corporations enshittify to profit maximize. You even see them doing that themselves, with Bluesky for example, where they built an alternative that pretends to be federated in order to capture refugees. But Bluesky is inevitably going to get fucked too and since it's federated in pretense only, there isn't another instance to take over. I think the process is similar to Linux adoption. It was always there, chugging along for people looking for alternatives. It hasn't stopped growing. It hasn't exploded but we're not complaining about where we are, are we.

[-] [email protected] 87 points 20 hours ago

I do generally wish there was more content. So I've decided to start actively participating rather than lurking more recently.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

Highjacking the top comment, but it seems like OP instance only federates 7 communities: https://lemmy.relayeasy.com/communities?listingType=All&sort=TopMonth&page=1

[-] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

Hey yes, early days with this instance. But seemed the right/correct place to ask generally....

[-] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You probably want to register it on https://lemmy-federate.com/

And federate the active communities from https://feddit.uk/communities

[-] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

thanks.... learning as we go here. Run other instances for people but I have got to say for many of my clients they are seeing a massive drop in the fediverse in general after modest growth. The general consensus is that creators want to earn money rather than have freedom

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

For creators, it makes sense to favor the commercial platforms.

For Reddit users, the Fediverse is a good enough alternative.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I appreciate your effort. I was more of a lurker on Reddit, but realised we all got to actively participate here if we want Lemmy (and the Fediverse at large) to succeed.

Unfortunately, content marketing is a long-term ROI strategy. IMO other marketing means (e.g. ads, influencers) would do a better job of bringing new users onboard in the short term, helping us to tap into the network effect.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago

Just from a quick look at https://fediverse.observer/, it looks like the Fediverse is mostly steady at 1-1.25 million monthly users (give or take) over the past two years with a slight decreasing trend. I think there are some reasons for this that are not entirely in our control.

There seems to be a global sentiment of disconnecting from social media and the internet in general. So, I wouldn't be surprised if ever platform is seeing a decaying user base. Anecdotally, among the people I see in real life, there is a general sense of exhaustion with online spaces. Whether it's from corporate-own, enshittified platforms to even places on the Fediverse, the people with whom I interact tend to find the entire thing hollow. They've trimmed down to one or two platforms (if that). In fact, I've even started to get that way. In the past, if someone were wrong and arguing against a point I made, I'd engage, especially if it's in something that I have expertise. Now, why bother? There's no use arguing; people have little interest in admitting fault or engaging in good faith (again anecdotally). That said, I'll concede that the Fediverse is a bit better on that front, but not by much.

Then there's the alternative nature of the Fediverse. It's been rehashed over and over about how "difficult" it is to get on and use. It's not actually that hard, but the barrier to entry is an extra step. That small extra step frightens people away from even joining. The only time that barrier gets broken is when a "legacy" social media platform does something anti-user. Then there is a refugee wave that comes in and goes out leading to a modest durable increase in users. Recently, there just hasn't been a major controversy on a major platform that leads people here.

Now, my final thought on this is to ask: Is a small and steady-ish population (despite modest decay) actually bad? In my view, I don't think it is. Being smaller and with a smallish barrier to entry means that we exclude a sizable number of the low-effort population. So, there's less (no zero) slop here. Plus, discussions, when had in good faith, can be much deeper and less filled with stupid low-effort jokes. Overall, I'm not too concerned with the number of people on the Fediverse. Growth isn't necessarily the best thing. Even so, with the way most mainstream platforms are going, it's inevitable that they will do something stupid that drives more people to the Fediverse at least for a time.

TL;DR: The monthly population is mostly steady with a modest decay. Most social media is likely seeing similar trends. I don't think the smaller userbase is that bad of a thing.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

I definitely get burnt out on it faster when half my front page is meta posts. I don't have time to curate, I just want to see content that isn't about itself.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

Block the meta communities

Or use Piefed where you can create different feeds (a la multireddit): https://join.piefed.social/

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

I don't have time to curate

They do not want to fix the problem, they want it to fix itself.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Fediverse does everything I require out of social media. Functionality of threadiverse is mostly there and getting better (Piefed will probably replace Lemmy as the go-to eventually), apps are better. Mastodon / microblogging was always good enough for communicating with real people, it’s when you’re an influencer you run into limitations but who cares about that. Maybe there aren’t that many people that are into this and that’s okay because we’re not a corporation that needs to report quarterly growth forever.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

(Piefed will probably replace Lemmy as the go-to eventually)

I think rather we'll see more software popping up and diversifying the ecosystem. Then you can pick whichever you prefer. Which is the whole point of the fediverse. I'm currently working on my own implementation. Might take a long while before any alpha version as I'm super busy but I try to do at least a bit of work on it every day.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

But usage is not going downwards. Check these stats out: https://fediverse.observer/stats

MAU has been steady at 1.1 million since this time last year.

Within the fediverse there are some platforms that are losing ground and some that are growing.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 22 hours ago

Didn't the UK recently have a controversial online safety act or something? And didn't many servers defederate UK servers as result?

[-] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago

No, lemmy.zip just geo blocked UK IP adresses, but the content is still available from other servers, no instance defederated.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago

As a general comment, I suggest everyone interested in making the Fediverse grow to join those two communities

Nobody likes to shout into the void. The second one helps finding people to help you grow your communities.

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