Previously, a yield strength of 5,000 pounds per square inch (psi) was enough for concrete to be rated as “high strength,” with the best going up to 10,000 psi. The new UHPC can withstand 40,000 psi or more.

The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers. These fibers hold the concrete together and prevent cracks from spreading throughout it, negating the brittleness. “Instead of getting a few large cracks in a concrete panel, you get lots of smaller cracks,” says Barnett. “The fibers give it more fracture energy.”

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 219 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Holy nothing burger, Batman!

First off, this article is from 2022, re-released to farm clicks from the current hype cycle.

Secondly, this is conjecture on top of conjecture. They discuss that we can't know the current damage from satellite, and Iran down plays the damage. Then they go on to say "concrete is strong and can be stronger".

Articles like this annoy me. It's all based on lots of unsubstantiated claims, and then one guy's theoretical research. We don't know the strength of the bombs. We don't know the strength of Iran's bunkers. We don't know how much damage was done. None of this has changed. I doubt we'll ever really know. But throw whatever political spin on it you want, and now you've got a click worthy news article.

  • source
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    There's also the fact that the majority of Iran's nuclear facilities were built before UHPC, the concrete discussed in the article, was available!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    In the late 2000s, for instance, rumors circulated about a bunker in Iran struck by a bunker-buster bomb. The bomb had failed to penetrate—and remained embedded in—the surface of the bunker, presumably until the occupants called in a bomb-disposal team. Rather than smashing through the concrete, the bomb had been unexpectedly stopped dead. The reason was not hard to guess: Iran was a leader in the new technology of Ultra High Performance Concrete, or UHPC, and its latest concrete advancements were evidently too much for standard bunker busters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordow_Fuel_Enrichment_Plant

    Construction on the facility started in 2006, but the existence of the enrichment plant was only disclosed to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) by Iran on 21 September 2009,[6][7] after the site became known to Western intelligence services. Western officials strongly condemned Iran for not disclosing the site earlier;

    Seems to fall into the same timeframe.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (5 replies)
    [–] 68 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Sounds to me like someone is trying to justify actually using a tactical, atomic bunker buster.

  • source
  • hideshow 15 child comments
  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I suspect the world would be safer if everyone just let Trump think he won.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    That's impossible. "Make America Great Again" is a slogan that he can only abuse as long as there are problems. If he wants to stay in power it's in his best interest to create problems. It's what fascists dictators have been doing since forever. Even if there are no problems they will point towards something and make you think it is a problem, so they can market themselves as the solution. If he would "win" he would lose his power, which is obviously the opposite of what somebody like Trump wants.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That concrete really isn't new and really isn't that special. There's a reason they built it under a mountain - because the mountain does what concrete can't.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (22 children)
  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  • load more comments (11 replies)
  • load more comments (4 replies)
    [–] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Giving the yield strength in psi is the most pointless thing ever. Every single engineer would use metric Pa so its clearly a conversion for the average american idiot but the average American idiot has no idea what yield strength is.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sorry bud, you're straight up wrong. Aerospace and defense in the US very much still uses the inch-pound-second system of units.

    I'm not a concrete guy, but I know that metals and composites have material properties certified for use in civil and commercial aviation are given in psi in MMPDS and CMH-17. I would be willing to bet that concrete specifications in the US are no different.

    I could keep going. Our bolts are specified in ultimate tensile strength by psi. Structural steel standards use minimum yield strengths in psi. There is literally a type of steel called A36 because its minimum required yield strength is 36,000 psi.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    From this article it sounds very likely that the bunker buster attack failed.

  • source
  • hideshow 13 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And I read that the US used more than half of its stock of these bunker-buster bombs in this attack, the largest conventional bunker-busters in existence. So they can't simply try again.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    My guess: that bunker buster attack was twice as successful as the missile attack on the the airfield in Qatar.

    2 x 0 = 0.

    Now accepting bets on when we will find out that Trump had a secret call with Ali Khamenei where they negotiated the whole thing ahead of time, thus explaining the movement of the Uranium out of the facility, the movement of our servicemen out of the airbase, etc. etc.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Why? The kinds of UHPC being discussed in the article weren't available even in the United States until the year 2000 but most of Iran's nuclear facilities were built between 1974 and 2005. Even their primary enrichment facility in Fordow, which was struck with MOPs, was started no earlier than the mid-2000s as it was still unfinished in 2009.

    Basically the majority of Iran's facilities, even their major ones, are too old to have the kind of concrete being discussed in the article.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Impressive.

  • source
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    "no, these missiles only bust the bunkers we tested them on."

  • source
  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Basically they used pyramid age tech to outplay billions of dollars worth of weapons tech.

  • source
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Hardly. Did you read the article?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The greater strength is achieved by turning concrete into a composite material with the addition of steel or other fibers.

    Fiber reinforcment is thousands of years old.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    So I did not read the article because of a paywall I'm too lazy to circumvent right now

    But from OP's summary, the main technology they're talking about is concrete reinforced with steel or other fibers.

    And that's definitely more advanced than "pyramid age"

    But it's also pretty much a direct descendant of mud brick reinforced with straw which humanity has been using since well before the pyramids. Same basic concept, different materials.

    So yes and no.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (2 replies)
    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    They mean mixing in steel dust or nylon hair?

    Hard to believe this is a recent enough thought.

  • source
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • load more comments (5 replies)
    load more comments
    view more: next ›