The Trump administration said a Salvadoran man who was mistakenly deported and then brought back to the US on criminal charges will "never go free" on American soil, even though a judge ordered his release.

Kilmar Ábrego García was deported in March as part of an immigration crackdown. Government officials said he was removed in error, but they were unable to bring him back.

Earlier this month, he was sent to the state of Tennessee, where the justice department charged him with human smuggling.

The judge overseeing the case said on Sunday that Mr Ábrego García should be released from custody while he awaits trial. But she noted immigration officials would still have the power to detain him.

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[–] 129 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So much for "innocent until proven guilty".

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    It's important to remember that it actually doesn't matter if Garcia is guilty of any crimes. They might eventually prove that he committed treason, or murdered puppies, or raped someone, or some other crime actual Republicans have actually been convicted for without facing consequences. His guilt or innocence is not as important as the process we use to determine guilt or innocence. You've hit the nail on the head, but I think it's bigger than anyone imagines. Without "innocent until proven guilty," we literally have no laws. There are no legal foundations below that one, and everything is built upon it. It is to the law what thermodynamics is to cuisine. Without it, there's nothing else. We could talk in theory about recipes (legislation), but you can't heat or cool things. We could eat raw ingredients (natural law) but only if it doesn't require refrigeration, that's just eating naturally ocurring local food. You might think that's a good thing, but a return to a state of nature is the opposite of civilization.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    So, that phrase doesn't actually appear in the US Constitution, but the Fifth Amendment does explicitly guarantee "due process", and the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" has always been seen as directly tied to that

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the idea is that if he's acquitted, they'll just deport him somewhere other than El Salvador, which they can legally do.

    He missed his window to apply for asylum years ago, so the non-removal order protecting him applied specifically to deportation to El Salvador. He can be sent elsewhere, and with Trump trying to open concentration camps elsewhere, I think he'll eventually end up in a different torture prison.

    I hate this reality.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Oh look, defying another court order.

    If you’re keeping track, that’s the third box that has failed.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    The ballot box didn't fail. People decided they wanted this by either voting Republican or not at all.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    When the ballot box fails to prevent fascists from getting elected, the ballot box has failed.

    Edit: Because it's the Four Boxes of Liberty, not the Four Boxes of Whatever People Vote For.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    So, you propose to enforce liberty by not letting us choose our own leaders? Democracy, as long as your approve our choices?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If your idea of liberty is unidentified armed masked government agents snatching up people and rendering them to foreign prisons, you might be a fascist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's not my idea of liberty at all. But you can't say the ballot box failed, just because the people elected the worst president in the history of people in suits.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Then the ballot box - the second box of liberty - has failed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What liberty are you talking about? The liberty of approved leaders? It's a failure because we voted for a bad leader?

    We got the leader we voted for. The failure is in the people.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    All of the boxes require people.

    The soap box (speaking, shaming) failed to secure liberty. The ballot box (elections) failed to secure liberty. The jury box (judicial proceedings) failed to secure liberty.

    One box remains.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Would you claim that the soap box failed of no-one spoke against him?

    Would you claim the jury box failed if he was never brought to trial?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I get what you're saying, but the "four boxes of liberty" are about freedom. People were free to talk about how bad Trump would be, and they did. The 2024 election was free and fair (until we have proof it wasn't). Federal courts have struck down many things the Trump administration has attempted. Liberty isn't inevitable, it has to be fought for. As a country "We the People" failed, not our institutions.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you ignore all the voter suppression and most likely election fraud by the election deniers who ran the counts, sure.

    Yes, roughly half of the voting population voted for him. I have strong doubts that he or the overwhelming number of Republicans in other races won fairly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I agree with you that there was voter suppression and gerrymandering but in no way were those insurmountable. We chose all this chaos and lawlessness.

    If "Did Not Vote" was a candidate:

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I missed the human smuggling part.

    Dang, the regime really doesn't want him talking do they?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The charges are bullshit, though

    The charges, which date back to 2016, allege he transported undocumented individuals between Texas and Maryland and other states more than 100 times.

    They are basically accusing him on going on road trips with brown people

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had no misconceptions that the charges were bullshit, but it's pretty damn impressive that they went to those lengths to paint him as a criminal.

    I mean hell, interstate bus companies are probably all guilty of this too.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's vindictiveness, plain and simple. His existence is an embarrassment to them. They absolutely have to get the last word in this fight, because their egos are too fragile for anything else.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't think vindictiveness is a major factor. This is about power.

    Trump is trying to grab as much power to deport people as he can. He will fight every challenge to it until the legal options are exhausted. He will attack the legitimacy of the courts when he loses. He cares about the precedent and saving face with his base, not Garcia himself.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Illegally smuggle someone ... then arrest them for illegal smuggling. Projection much?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The cruelty is the point.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Totally not fascism though

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