"It has been dubbed Britain's 'most woke' roundabout because drivers must give priority to pedestrians, then cyclists, and then other cars and lorries before continuing on themselves. Locals have pointed out the priority for cyclists and pedestrians is unnecessary as only cars and lorries regularly use the Boundary Way route."

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[+] 178 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 100 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Here in Malaysia I always thought it was our third world mentality that caused drivers to speed up when approaching a pedestrian crossing, when in reality it was a leftover notion from our times as a former British colony.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    A lot of so called 'third world mentality' is just Victorian cultural norms that were imposed by the global techno fascists of the time (the British Empire).

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Locals have pointed out the priority for cyclists and pedestrians is unnecessary as only cars and lorries regularly use the Boundary Way route.

    So, there is so little pedestrian and cyclist travel, that priority is unnecessary? What's the issue having the priority then? Surely, it wont affect you, then?

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ... priority for cyclists and pedestrians is unnecessary as only cars and lorries regularly use the Boundary Way route.

    forgive me if I'm being a little too above-roomtemp-IQ for this, but what's the problem then?

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    drivers must give priority to pedestrians, then cyclists, and then other cars and lorries before continuing on themselves.

    So, like every crossing everywhere? Because we don't want to harm others in traffic? If that's 'woke' then 'woke' is the only way.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This really shows how shit the DVLA have been at communicating the changes to the highway code that happened in 2022.

    You're supposed to give way to pedestrians who want to cross at every roundabout in the UK as it's a it's a junction (you're supposed to at all junctions)

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    I don’t get it. It’s just a regular roundabout with zebra crossings.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    Regular roundabouts don't give pedestrian or cyclist crossings priority.

    * I'm talking of the UK, that's what the article is about. People seem confused.

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  • [+] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Drivers in Britain should give way to pedestrians at all junctions, including entrances and exits to all roundabouts. It's literally in the highway code.

    Admittedly it's only a "should" rather than a "must" for most roundabouts, but still. This is the what driving standards are these days, and it is a good thing. It's all about protecting the more vulnerable. Car drivers are more dangerous to others than pedestrians are, so car drivers have to take more care and should give priority to the more vulnerable pedestrians.

    EDIT: But once again I've fallen victim to a classic blunder. The sort of people who would say a roundabout is woke would never care about a well-reasoned argument. And I'm just preaching to the choir in this community anyway!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    EDIT: But once again I've fallen victim to a classic blunder. The sort of people who would say a roundabout is woke would never care about a well-reasoned argument. And I'm just preaching to the choir in this community anyway!

    I'd question the existence of "the sort of people" in any meaningful quantity. As far as I can tell the only people dubbing it the 'most woke' roundabout are the authors of the article. Not a single person quoted uses the word woke. It's a classic rage bait headline to generate clicks.

    https://www.mylondon.news/news/transport/britains-most-woke-2m-roundabout-31744635

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lads, is it woke to follow The Highway Code?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That is one of the wokest things out there: both some dude's Toyotta Corolla and the Clarence Thomas' Motor Coach have to share the road and follow the same rules. Everyone is the same before the Highway code. Sounds like communism, can't have that.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is the law even in (much of) the carbrained United States. Pedestrians always have the right-of-way, even if they aren't in a signed or painted crosswalk.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yes. Even in places where they could get a ticket for jaywalking, cars are supposed to yield and let them mosey/stagger/traipse etc.

    This fact will not actually stop a moving vehicle, however. Neither will the painted lines of a crosswalk. So make use of your larger visual field and look out for distracted drivers, e.g. all of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh yeah, but what I'm saying is I don't get why this would be "woke" since it's the most basic of motor vehicle laws in even the least pedestrian-friendly places.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Oh anything that's not completely selfish for the people who already have all the privileges qualifies as "woke" to them.

    I agree it's just basic common sense and humanity.

    But then I felt compelled to point out you can't rely on it for safety, because pedestrian deaths are high and on the rise.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Hoping not getting crushed by SUVs while drivers are busy scrolling down their phone is so woke. /s

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So in other words, a roundabout. At least in the Netherlands, it has nothing to do with this weird woke idea

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It can't be truly woke if the center is filled with concrete instead of flowers or shrubbery

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Really common in Dutch cities. Not all of them have zebra lanes but the rules are really quite simple.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    This roundabout: "If there's a person walking across the road, don't drive into them."

    Drivers: "Blasphemy!!!"

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I agree it should not be so inclusive, so let's leave out the cars and lorries and call it a day.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Goes to North Pole.
    Tries to go more North.
    Is gimbal locked

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  • They trialed these particular roundabouts a few years ago elsewhere after spending literal years building it in the middle of a junction. Nobody likes them, they require even more crossing and attention, as a pedestrian and you feel rushed to move.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    My issue with this roundabout is that it's the worst of all worlds. It's unusual, and complex for cars. Given how bad the average driver is, I wouldn't want to be a cyclist or pedestrian dealing with this.

    While it has its problems, Milton Keynes does non-car traffic quite well. It has "red ways" that cut under or over the main trunk roads. It's possible to reach most of the city without having to cross a major road.

    While retrofitting this is harder, surely they could come up with something better, for that sort of money.

    Oh and as for the woke comments. I've found describing it/replacing it with empathy/empathetic works well. It seems to really annoy the gammon crowd, while turning those on the fence away from it, hard.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I might be daft, but how exactly is this complex? Or rather, how is more complex than any other situation where you have to give way? These kind of roundabouts is all you have over here. Never seemed difficult to grasp imho.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    More than one "lane" you could turn into or out to. People are idiots, so you gotta remember how had bad things could get.

    I lived in a place with a basic circle put in to "smooth" traffic on a small-but-main avenue, and they had a town hall meeting, YouTube tutorial, and a hands-on workshop on how to navigate a regular circle. People still came to the thing, put a left signal on, and pulled straight into oncoming traffic because they wanted to go that way. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    2m for some asphalt. Landscaping and paint ?? That's very expensive.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    c/nottheonion

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