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My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there's little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let's try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y'all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn't efficient at all.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Nay. Bc even though it is bad, it doesn't seem necessary. As long as their users don't break the rules over here anyway

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Aye for both the primary content and for the obvious dog whistling going on to defend it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Nay

Block them yourself. Defederation is against the principles of the fediverde. If you are looking for an instance that is more isolated, look into Beehaw.org.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Withdrawn.

There's some content I find deplorable here but I'm no longer convinced that defederation is a healthy tactic to wield like a cudgel in this way. I'm comfortable deciding for myself what content I will and will not see. I think others should be extended the same freedom.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I'm a newer user so I'd appreciate more information before I vote. Why would defederation be more applicable than down voting en mass? From the examples it seems that there are very few up votes on the posts.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Nya. Just block them as I'm blocking stuff that I don't want to see. This function is there for something. Defederating is as extrem as the posts they are making

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Nay.

All that stuff is basically 0 comment and 0 up vote. It doesn't look like you would end up stumbling in that stuff as trending or whatnot. Unless your subscribed to it or looking to be offended it looks like a non issue. I've yet to see anything from them other then in these complaint threads.

I'm sure there is offensive content everywhere if you really look for it. Even here hence the whole beehaw thing.

I don't think we should defederate to control what other folks expose themselves to. If they were brigading other instances or butting in to be a direct nuisance that would be a different story.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nay! This is arbitrary censorship of an entire instance because they host content that disagrees with you. The support for such a measure here is more disturbing than the content itself.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

arbitrary

Have you not seen any of the numerous screencaps I've posted? Heaven forbid we decide not to associate with hate speech.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nay until some evidence is posted

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As far as I know the whole concept of agora was just announced yesterday, and now we are saying that entire instances can be defederated based on a vote ( with no rules defined for when the vote ends or how votes are tallied ).

This is ridiculous and dangerous. This is poorly thought out. Above all, this is a terrible precedent. That any motivated group of users can go to an instance, clip some pics of bad behavior, create a thread and then spam it with 'aye' votes and close the vote whenever they please, and that result in the cutting off of an entire instance? Not even a freaking poll?

Please consider withdrawing this until the rules of agora voting are clearer.

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