Good. Operating systems should be neutral. The people who make them should not be allowed to dictate the terms that others use to interact with their platforms.
this post was submitted on 01 May 2025
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Hey maybe not fuckepic just this once.
The worst person you know just made a great point
Lmao, the fuckepic and 'Tim Sweeney is a bastard man' sentiments were always wildly overblown.
The fact that anyone took Apple's side in this case (because the Epic game store paid for a couple exclusive games to try and break into the market) is laughably childish.
Apple literally rips off the entire world to the tune of billions of dollars a year through app store mafia extortion fees alone, let alone the rest of their anti-competitive bullshit.
Epic was just trying to break into the Apple / Google / Steam monopolies and made a couple unpopular / anti-consumer business moves on a couple games (all the while taking afar smaller cut of profits than any other store), meanwhile Apple has based their literal entire multi-decade business model on anti-consumer choices and done that for every single hardware and software device they sell you.
They are not remotely comparable. Epic was always fully in the right in their anti-monopoly legal battles.
Always fuck epic, but fuck Apple harder.
That there's a very narrow overlap of epic and general consumer/other devs interests doesn't make epic good.
Tbh for a broken clock Sweeney shows the right time remarkably often. Can't believe it, the bar for people like him is so low just being consistent is noteworthy lol
At least he never cosplayed team pleb tbh... Kinda doing his own "situation"
Rest of them is one of "us" hard working mavrevk or some shite
Still cunt tho
It's always fun when two terrible tech giants fight it out.
Indeed, a little bit of intra-class war for them, for a change.
Epic's most redeeming quality is their willingness to take bigger companies to court for their trash policies. Now if only we could get the FTC to do their jobs so Epic wouldn't have to...
Didn't Elon gut the FTC?
Yes but Apple did not build this system in the last 3 months, they've done it over the course of 3 decades.
I recommend liberal use of the concept of critical support
Rogers also says that Apple “willfully” chose not to comply with her previous injunction from her original 2021 ruling
Why did it take them 4 years to enforce their own ruling?
Because the legal system is low moving even when major corporations aren't trying to delay things and you can bet that Apple did everything they could to slow down enforcement. I'm surprised it only took 4 years.
What can they do?
If you're asking what Apple can do, a lot.
In civil litigation, one of the big steps is discovery, where each party is trying to gather information that they want to use. That can take several months or longer, especially when the two parties disagree on what information ought to be shared.
During discovery, and at other times, each party will file motions asking for certain things, certain rules to be imposed, for example. And then the other party will file a response motion. And then maybe the judge will schedule oral arguments, or maybe they won't, and the judge will make a ruling. Because the deadlines are usually on the orders of months, and at the very least weeks, it's easy for the process to get drawn out.
And the judge is typically working other cases. So even if they get some documents on Monday, they might not be able to schedule a meeting until 3 weeks from now, for example. But even if they could rush, there's typically not a huge necessity to do so. In this situation, the judge could impose massive financial sanctions on Apple for past conduct, should they choose to do so. In the end, this is all about money and because of that it can be resolved by making one party pay the other a lot of money. So delaying is a tactic but it doesn't necessarily save you money in the end, not if you lose, because the duration of the bad behavior is longer and therefore you owe more.
All of that takes place during the trial, not after.
The answer you're looking for is: it took 4 years to enforce the original ruling because Apple appealed that decision. Many of the slow walking tactics used during the original trial remain available during the appeal stage.
Interesting that the article doesn't say anything about an appeal, and also that Apple will appeal this decision as well...
2024 was the end of the appeals process with the Supreme Court.
Per the wiki:
or they can donate to Dumnald's inauguration fund and get a corporate pardon tomorrow
Apple has $50B+ in literal cash. Epic's entire revenue is under $7B/yr. Apple can afford to run Epic for decades on their cash reserves alone without impacting their bottom line.
That's why it took 4 years. I'm surprised Apple didn't bury them.
I don't understand what that has to do with anything? It doesn't cost either of them anything to enforce a ruling the court already made.
To be clear, I'm not defending anyone here...
Apple likely delayed it multiple times.
They delayed the enforcement of a ruling? I don't think even they have that power.
sure they can, all they had to do was ignore the ruling
That doesn't delay the enforcement of the ruling.
What enforcement?
The enforcement outlined in the OP?
No what I am asking you is what evidence of enforcement do you see anywhere here?
Apple was ordered by the courts to do something, they blatantly ignored it and doubled down. At no point it seems the courts were enforcing their initial ruling. It took the defendants to bring this back to court again. What's stopping Apple from not doing anything and ignoring the courts again?
No what I am asking you is what evidence of enforcement do you see anywhere here?
The evidence I see is the article linked in the OP.
It took the defendants to bring this back to court
If that happened, it's absent from the article in the OP.
There is clearly NO enforcement in there... maybe we think "enforcement" are different things here
I don't know how you can not see enforcement. It's in the headline of the article.
"Judge in Epic v. Apple bans Apple from charging commission on purchases made outside App Store"
That is what the judge ordered, who is forcing Apple to comply? forcing them to follow the ruling is the definition of "enforcement", not the ruling itself
And the reason I am second guessing is that the court had already ruled against Apple and they just ignored that and doubled down on the bad behaviour
who is forcing Apple to comply?
The...judge?
Whatever, this is a dumb argument.
is it? because we are talking about the difference between a lawful society and anarchy.
Looks like you don't understand the point and now are getting defensive. Have a nice day bud
Yes that's definitely what's happening and not that you don't understand and are trying to do a "gotcha" for internet points.
Internet points?... sorry, I did not realize you were 12
Sorry, was I the one making dumb arguments for no reason? Oh no, that was you. And now you've further devolved to childish insults so you're going to be blocked. Goodbye.
Oh no!... anyways
Sweeney is also offering a “peace proposal” from Epic: “If Apple extends the court’s friction-free, Apple-tax-free framework worldwide, we’ll return Fortnite to the App Store worldwide and drop current and future litigation on the topic.”
Pretty sure this has a 0% chance of working.
rats scavenging for the last vestiges of growth in a world that hates them at the moment. Will the rats compromise or will they eat each other? My vote is on the latter.