It'll still be rape.
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Yeah, almost put it in the question too, but felt that would be rude
Yeah that was probably a good call, even I hovered for a second before posting, but rape has always felt worse in my book, like killing someone is a horrible thing to do to someone, but they don't have to deal with it for life, the other one is a life long thing that could be argued is worse than death.
I might have some news for you about rape statistics - they're pretty high. That's telling a lot of people their experiences were worse than death, suggesting life isn't worth living after rape. That's a pretty brutal opinion to post on a public forum.
I didn't say life wasn't worth living after it, I just see a way where it could be seen worse than death, having to have that in your memory forever because some psychopath decided they can do what they want to you.
It's a life long issue these people have to unfortunately suffer, one that they never ever should have had to experienced.
A brutal opinion would be, I think we should publicly execute rapists the slow way, that's a brutal opinion to post on a public forum.
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Burying someone alive. Or trapping their feet in cement shoes and throwing them into the ocean.
This question implies death is the worst that could happen to you.
Personally, I don't see it that way. There's a lot more hurtful things than death.
Death is one occurrence, with no pain in the death itself, and "only" secondary pain in those left behind.
There's a lot more hurtful and lasting pain you can inflict, physically and psychologically, and without a definite endpoint.
Fundamentally, the basis for thinking death is the "worst" is that so long as you're alive you can still experience good things, regardless of your past, and you retain the capacity to heal in different ways.
Death is the one thing you're not coming back from to find a new way to live.
Assuming that immortality only applies to humans, environmental destruction would be a big one.
People care more about pollution and climate change when they know they'll be around to face the consequences.
Unauthorised pregnancy. If no one can die, every new birth is effectively stealing from the limited pool of resources. Too many births, everyone starves, no one can die to ease the burden on the limited resources. Endless suffering for all.
Wait, what resources would be most valuable if death was off the table?
Edit: I'll take a stab at it and say cats.
UNLIMITED CATS 😼
UNLIMITED IMMORTAL CATS
9 Lives * Infinity = ERROR
Seriously (or at least as serious as a hypothetical invinciblity/immortality scenario can be :D): food water and housing. You can live without most other things, but being cold, wet, starving and dehydrated will really make the eternity drag on :)
Abortion would probably be impossible too
I was gonna make a joke about ending the abortion debate, but then I went down a rabbit hole:
Abortions procedures would still be a thing, but the fetus wouldnt die. Its just an extremely premature birth. That means that intentional pregnancies could be "harvested" early, for the fetus to grow up outside the mothers body.
Lots to unpack.
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Its no death. Not no aging or sickness.
People are still going to fall apart as they age. So I wonder if there would be a hard cap where you basically have a farewell party and go into a euthanasia booth/coffin.
Unauthorized pregnancies would be criminal. No idea what that world would do with the child in that situation.
Euthanasia is still death though, so unless live people are just going to crawl into a box and willingly never come out? And if they do get out, are they going to be okay with having being starved in complete isolation?
And where are their bodies stored? Outside of few exceptions, most human bodies decay away within a hundred years, so the grave sites can be reused, but you cant do that if someone's still in it?
If the world allows voluntary death, then it gets a bit easier to deal with though.
Well that's just immortality. Even immortals can be killed in most myths.
The claim is no death. That means if you burn someone at the stake their body turns into a charred husk but they’re still alive and now they’re trapped in this state of unimaginable agony forever, unable to die but also totally helpless and in constant searing pain.
Chop the head off and stick him in a jar like futureama
Their face is still burned! You’d have to reduce them down to a brain in a vat. But then all they have is the memory of that searing pain.
See you can keep going with this and just grind the brain into a sausage and feed it to wild animals. Then it gets broken down into nutrients and excreted, then fertilizer into trees.
At what point does one die in this chain?
They never die! That’s the absurdity of “death isn’t a thing but otherwise nothing else changes.”
In the anime Ajin there are human who never die unnaturally via infinate regeneration but they still appear to age.
Closest thing to death there is decapitation which grows a new head without your memories. But your original head gets futurama'd
But what if you grind the head into sausage? How do they deal with that? I guess the sausage grows into a new head without memories?
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Kidnapping, I say, in a world where killing a death is simply not a concept, being kidnapped for any reason could lead to millennia of torment
Unforgiveable implies that there can be no mistake about the negative side effects for even the dumbest among us before committing the act. Torture is about as intentionally cruel as it gets.
Some other suggestions here are frequently used under the umbrella of torture, for example, by the IDF.
While I don't have any statistics, other than just my impression after reading news or talking to people:
There seem to be people unaware that what they are doing is a form of mental torture. There are (at least what it seems) a lot of toxic relationships, and there are instances where neither the victim nor the perpetrator realize how their actions affect themselves or the other part.
I am far from excusing anyone who behaves in a mentally torturous way and agree that they should be punished, but torture might not be as intentional in all situations.
IMO, we should properly categorize the different kinds of torture and the different severity, and perform punishment based on those categorizations. It makes sense, at least to me, to have a stronger punishment for IDF, than for a toxic mother somewhere.
A couple of things I have read as a comment on this post that I would consider torture:
- Rape (this should be classified as torture today)
- Burying people alive
- Throwing someone in a volcano (in a world where dying is an impossibility)
Some that I am more uncertain on:
- Environmental destruction (one could argue that this is indirect torture, as the end result could lead to people being starved, or harmed in other torturous ways)
Not putting your shopping carts back.
If death weren't a thing, I suppose that that pitching someone into lava or something like that would be pretty bad then.
Only if you're a pussy and can't take a few million years trapped in the earth's crust.
Permanent mutilation
Torture. The main thing about torture is to make sure they don't die while suffering the pain.
I cant imagine what would be the most heinous torture in a world like this. Maybe casually, "accidentally", stepping on the same person's toe ever other day for like one or two million years.
Stealing from musk.
Throwing someone into a universe where nothing exists...
Enjoy an eternity of absolutely nothing (and you can't even die 🫠
This one gets more complicated the longer I think about it.
My first pass was to imagine humans just as we are aside from the ability to die. Many things about how humans are don't make sense without death though. Pain, for example likely evolved to cause organisms to avoid stimuli that could lead to their death. Fear largely derives from the anticipation of pain. Would true immortals have either? I imagine the psychology of such creatures would be vastly different from our own.
There's also the question of what form the immortality takes. If it's possible to destroy someone's physical body, but their soul can immediately manifest a new one, and pain doesn't exist, then doing so is just an inconvenience. If bodies are impervious to any damage or alteration, a large category of crimes vanishes.
It would probably come down to some sort of long-term imposition on the freedom of others, but it's really hard to guess what that would look like.
Burying people alive
No death? As in you can't die from old age or you can't die no matter what happens to you e.g you're throw into the sun, you don't die? Or your physical body can die but that just means your game is over in one universe and you can move into the next, and so on?
If being thrown into the sun can't kill you, then you're invulnerable and torture can't be a thing. You could be tossed into deep space and not hit anything for a million years, but you could learn how to cope after a few years and make your brain a retreat of imagination.
If it's just games all the way up into eternity, being the game creator and making pain exist is an unforgiveable crime.
If being thrown into the sun can't kill you, then you're invulnerable and torture can't be a thing.
I disagree. there several forms of torture that don't involve killing you
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