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Hi! I am a stranger on this instance, I have read a lot of warnings about the "tankie triad", but wanted to see for myself and keep an open mind.

I watched this video, and it made me want to take a deep dive into socialism/communism, with as much objectivity as I can. https://youtu.be/BeRjTtKFlVM

I understand how capitalism works, and I have doubts that it is a sustainable system for society long term, but social democracy has been a good way of keeping capitalism in-check in Norway. So even if capitalism is not ideal, it is in theory possible to tax the rich more and keep the whole thing going in the future. I also understand the exploitation and the extraction of surplus value, rent seeking etc.

Other capitalist countries such as the US is currently struggling with basic human needs. And that is "the shining beacon of capitalism".

In Norway it has for a long time been common to use the US as an example of what not to do.

What I am interested in learning is how society would operate and function under socialism / communism. More about the differences. Preferably from less dry sources than The Capital from Marx. Where can I learn more? Preferably a bit entertaining.

It is important to me that it is historically accurate and factually correct.

Look forward to your replies ๐Ÿ˜Š

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

If you want to get some understanding of socialism from an anarchist perspective I can't recommend enough either Anark for videos, or An Anarchist FAQ for text. Both of these also include a lot of explanation of where anarchism fundamentally differs from Authoritarian Socialists (AKA Marxist-Leninists) and Libertarian Capitalists (AKA "Anarcho"-Capitalists)

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I think the Tankie Triad term is more about linking certain people with support for authoritarian policy, rather than socialism as a whole. There are a ton of people across Lemmy instances that think of themselves as socialist and reject authoritarianism. They might use the term "tankies" to distinguish between themselves and those socialists who might support "using tanks" to suppress dissent. So the distinction you see some draw could be more about that instead of socialists vs non-socialists. People on one side tend to paint socialists as liberals, and people in the other side tend to paint socialists as tankies. Reactionary comments are easy to make and aren't useful but people make them anyway for a myriad of understandable reasons so that's that. ๐Ÿฅน

That's my understanding on this part of the issue so far.

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[โ€“] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

One small observation - everything I know about socialism I learned years and years before the term "tankies" existed, so I'm pretty sure they aren't fundamental to socialism.

Secondly, we don't live in a binary world. Countries that are primarily capitalist still do many things collectively - fire departments for example. The argument is always over which aspects of life to socialize and which to leave in private hands.

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