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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 hours ago

I can't remember where I copied this from originally but it seems pertinent here

Americans are, of course, the most thoroughly and passively indoctrinated people on earth. they know next to nothing as a rule about their own history, or the histories of other nations, or the histories of the various social movements that have risen and fallen in the past, and they certainly know nothing of the complexities and contradictions comprised within words like ‘socialism’ and ‘capitalism.’

Chiefly, what they have been trained not to know or even suspect is that, in many ways, they enjoy far fewer freedoms, and suffer under a more intrusive centralized state, than do the citizens of countries with more vigorous social-democratic institutions.

This is is at once the most comic and most tragic aspect of the excitable alarm that talk of social democracy or democratic socialism can elicit on these shores.

An enormous number of Americans have been persuaded to believe that they are freer in the abstract than, say, Germans or Danes precisely because they possess far fewer freedoms in the concrete.

They are far more vulnerable to medical and financial crisis, far more likely to receive inadequate health coverage, far more prone too irreparable insolvency, far more unprotected against predatory creditors, far more subject to income inequality, and so forth, while effectively paying more in tax (when one figures in federal, state, local and sales taxes, and then compounds those by all the expenditures that in this country, as almost nowhere else, their taxes do not cover).

One might think that a people who once rebelled against the mightiest empire on earth on the principle of no taxation without representation would not meekly accept taxation without adequate government services.

But we accept what we have become used to, I suppose. Even so, one has to ask, what state apparatus in the “free” world could be more powerful and tyrannical than the one that taxes its citizens while providing no substantial civic benefits in return, solely in order to enrich a piratically overinflated military-industrial complex and to ease the tax burdens of the immensely wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Lisa's only mistake was saying yes.

Just do every single thing in socialism, but change every single word. Call it Americanism.

Proletariat? No, just "worker".

Bourgeoisie? No, just "elites".

Capital? "Stuff". Like how in baseball they say a pitcher's got good "stuff". Use your human stuff.

Class Consciousness - "common sense".

Dialectical Materialism - Idk I'm still trying to figure out wtf that one means.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago

Dialectical materialism -> Scientific materialism to distinguish it from the common usage of the world "materialism"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

You people have good luck with this? I haven't. I don't find that you can just "trick" people into believing in socialism by changing the words. The moment if becomes obvious you're criticizing free markets and the rich and advocating public ownership they will catch on.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I live in the USA and its so bad i just cant interact with most people. They are basically entirely vibes based. They dont research anything if they hear a new claim they decide if its true based on if they feel like its true. You can literally show them evidence and most will be like "nah thats bs". I made a comment on 小红书 recently about how 54% of americans read below a 6th grade level and my replies are FULL of americans saying "uh i can read" .... can you really?

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 19 hours ago

about what youd expect for a country thats been the global epicenter for anticommunist propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

American try to care one iota for your fellow man or really anyone other than yourself challenge (impossible):

[–] [email protected] 38 points 17 hours ago (10 children)

During covid, going to a rural area in the US really got to me. The population is so individualistic / freedom-brained / "i do whatever I want all the time", that their grandmothers all dying meant nothing to them. I got mine keeps meaning smaller and smaller groups of people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Which is surprising because up here in Canada, the socialism started with the farmers. And it's still going on with coop feed and grain silos and harvester sharing. Farmers don't let other farmers starve, in Canada.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

That’s not what socialism is. Socialism didn’t “start with the farmers”. That’s a ridiculous thing to say

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"All classes working together" as a counterpoint to socialism? Where have I heard of this before.....?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

Meanwhile, socialist Norway's wealth fund could maintain everyone's standard of living for 400 years if they stopped working right now.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 19 hours ago (21 children)

norway isnt socialist. they just excel at exporting capitalism's issues to the third world.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago

of course not, you can bet that "wealth fund" is invested in institutions that leech of the global south.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Whenever people say this they neglect to point out that all the money came from selling oil.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

They forget to point out that only dumbfuck yanks would consider Norway to be socialist, so the comment, in a meme community, is misleading from the get-go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

Norway is not socialist in the least

[–] [email protected] 37 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Hmmm, interesting. But what if we gave it all to one guy?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 19 hours ago (23 children)

Wait, isn't socialism all about class solidarity? "Working together regardless of class to fight a common enemy" sounds more like nationalism where at the end the upper class profits most. Unless we are talking about a classless society but that's not "regardless of class" but "with no class distinction" which sounds very similar when I think about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago

Socialism is about making the working class the ruling class. It is explicitly about oppressing the bourgeois class, which is itself the current ruling class oppressing the working (and other) classes. The idea is to take the means of production and run it for ourselves rather than the profit of a class defined by merely owning factories, buildings, tools, etc.

The cartoon may be confused.

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