NEW YORK - President Donald Trump’s tariffs have spooked investors, with fears of an economic downturn driving a stock market sell-off that has wiped out US$4 trillion (S$5.3 trillion) from the S&P 500’s peak last month, when Wall Street was cheering much of Mr Trump’s agenda.

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[–] 158 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The guy who bankrupted a casino is tanking the biggest economy in the world. Who knew!

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  • [–] 132 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    bankrupted a casino

    That’s false. He bankrupted multiple casinos.

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  • [–] 121 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    The fact that spooking the market could wipe out such an absurd amount of money, larger than many GDPs - and the economy hasn't even crashed completely at all yet - should provide a good reference for how much of billionaire wealth is actually just abstract numbers representing nothing tangible but raw power over people and processes.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    At some level of wealth, money stops being conceptually a medium of exchange for goods and services, and just becomes a scoreboard for bragging rights.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I’m struggling a little to understand the main aim of this comment. It’s not untrue, there’re just a lot of parts going in different directions and, potentially, coming from different places. Without context it’s kinda just a surface observation, ya know?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    i think the commenter is just baffled at how drastically overvalued (over hyped) so many stocks are - a well known problem where speculative over investment can and does distort the whole economy and has power over the whole population. see for example, speculation bubbles like the dotcom overvaluation or subprime mortgages, or Theranos, or Bitcoin, or even how Tesla stock was being traded higher than the next 6-8 major car companies combined.

    in other words, stock prices are a bunch of bullshit.

    stocks arent exactly the same as "money" in the common sense so it confuses people when headlines say money was lost or wiped out. but stocks are similar to money in that they are placeholders for value, however much more susceptible to wild devaluations. because ultimately they're just speculative bets on what something is worth and can fluctuate rapidly, as rapidly and suddenly as human emotions.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    1 - Gloating

    2 - Hubris

    3 - Denial <-------We're somewhere about here, depending on the individual's MAGA level

    4 - Doubt

    5 - Leopards ate my face

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Billionaires call this a fire sale. They get richer.

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    [+] 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)
    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m sure a significant chunk is middle class retirement savings. (Sources are not definitive, but over 40% of the value in the stock market is 401k and other retirement savings).

    Gonna F the job market again, too; as people who would retire won’t because their nest egg dried up.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    $5T? That's just $16K per person. No big deal.

    Edit: Forgot the "/s"

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Sort of but not really.

    They aren't really "the US economy". Most of those corporations live outside the bounds of nations. They just have their HQ in the US. Manufacturing etc is done wherever is cheapest, and now they're finding out that they might have to pay real wages and real money to make things in the US.

    The losses per person are lower because people from all over the world have investments in those stocks. It's been overvalued for a while and still is.

    Americans will still end up poorer though, because even if they move the manufacturing, they'll no longer be able to buy things at Chinese poverty wages.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It’s important to remember that the rich in the US will profit off this as the working class gets fucked, it’s not “haha trump dumb,” it’s a planned thing to increase the wealth of the super rich

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    it’s a planned thing to increase the wealth of the super rich

    The prior generation of neoliberal economics was doing this just fine. Trump is being buoyed, in large part, by a generation of middle managers, professionals, and small business owners who have eaten shit through a generation of consolidation and de-skilling of advanced labor.

    But his policies still suck. His neglect of critical infrastructure and his race to defund public goods and services and his clumsy implementation of pseudo-scientific economic policies won't benefit anyone in the US, rich or poor. The rich will endure the catastrophes better (probably). And they'll have the resources to flee when shit really starts to hit the fan (for the most part). But the idea that the biggest shareholders of Boeing, Microsoft, Exxon, and JP Morgan Chase are somehow positioned to come out ahead on a massive contraction in real economic production is delusional.

    American kleptocrats have made the choice to rule in hell, rather than to pay a 36% marginal tax rate in heaven. And you only have to look as far as Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and Israel to see where this miserable policy ultimately leads. Sergey Brin and Eric Prince are going to trade places with Ahmed bin Abdulaziz and Yevgeny Prigozhin, entirely for the opportunity to avoid dealing with the IRS.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    They say there is no crystal ball in investment, but it's hard to not have predicted this outcome.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Hello easyspeezy here, today we got quite a special order, we are doing a bankruptcy speedrun!

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Good thing I sold off my entire 401k last month 30 years early in anticipation of the market taking a massive dump

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (16 children)

    Good job. For what it's worth you should still take your employer match and invest it all outside North America. Don't leave that free money on the table because the US is headed for a depression.

    I sold the stocks we had for a down payment on a house late last month too. I have avoided $9000 in losses SO FAR. I was talking about this a couple days ago and was essentially told I'm an idiot for trying to time the market instead of riding the dip. Then yesterday early morning before open I was told I got lucky and better buy back in to lock in my winnings. $5000 of those losses would have occurred yesterday if I'd bought back in. I'm not putting money back in the casino until it's under new management.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    How close are we to global market crashes and bank runs?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think that’s not enough.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    In the words of the great man himself, “have fun!”

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    There go my investments….

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Like the castle in its corner
    In a medieval game
    I foresee terrible trouble
    And I stay here just the same...

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Tarif go in to effect then he pulls out. Then back in. Dammed. I fell lile this a bad sex joke.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Trump has gone even more bonkers today. More tariffs on Canada and threatening our country.

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