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I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse. There are other platforms and will be more to come. Referring to a post on "Lemmy" or "kbin" is like saying you saw a post on your Windows or Mac computer.

We should be referring to it as...

  • I saw it on the fediverse.
  • Hey fediverse users ...
  • A thread on the fediverse...

New terms may emerge but referring to the platform seems weird, almost ignorant.

edit: A better example is email. You wouldn't assume everyone is on Hotmail because that is the email provider you use. You say I'm sendingan eamail, not I'm sending a Hotmail.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like how the Memmy app introduces new users to what the fediverse is and what a server means. I had found that out beforehand but it was still helpful when I downloaded the app today.

I’m new to it all, but it’s so interesting. Now I want to know what else I don’t know about that’s on the web. 👀

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"fediverse" isn't correct either - it's too broad. Kbin and Lemmy post to a part of the fediverse - the "threadiverse". Meanwhile job in can also post to the microblogverse connecting with Mastodon. And there is not one fediverse - ir is both separated by different algorithms for different bits and also within areas some bits federate with others.

If you want a good term for the threadiverse, then Feddit seems like a good catch all name?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Y'all talkin' on the verse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not referencing the fediverse, it's stupid. But also, lemmy isn't a great name so I probably just won't mention anything like that.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Personally I agree, but we all know what someone means when they say "posting on Lemmy" etc. I simply make it a point to refer to it as "the fediverse" in my own posts. Eventually people will catch onto the right terminology, especially as more software platform options become available for the Fediverse ... like Threads (though those ppl will probably always call it Threads because that will be all they know and understand of it).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Actually, it's spelled 'faits divers'.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is going to reveal my ignorance:

How does the federation work from a high level? On Reddit, data is stored and managed by Reddit.

How about the fediverse? If the data isn’t centrally located, what is stopping some data from just being lost at any time? Who owns the servers?

If the servers are owned by anyone who wants to own a server, I assume there will still be popular servers that get the most traffic. And if those servers have high traffic, how will they sustain that model? How do they “keep the lights on” without ads?

Thanks for helping me understand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

https://lemmy.world/comment/20357

This comment was very helpful when I first joined. Long story short, each server is locally storing data for its own users and communities, and also for external communities that at least one user is subscribed to.

Everything is either self or donor funded, and it is my understanding that this model can scale quite a bit without a crazy amount of donations.

But if we get into instances with over a million users, I'm not sure when/if the donor funded model eventually breaks down. That'll be a good problem to have though, because it means this platform will have been a massive success.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That’ll be a good problem to have though, because it means this platform will have been a massive success.

I dunno, could be a repeat of Eternal September.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good question. Not ignorant. The one thing we use all the time but never think of as federated is email. Multiple users from different providers can reply all and everyone gets a copy. That is one way to help think about how the fediverse works. People using kbin and Lemmy have replied in this thread. We all see it. we are just using different providers/software to read and reply in the fediverse.

Others have already commented well on funding.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How does the federation work from a high level?

Well, Captain Kirk goes out on the flagship and kicks some serious alien ass. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't usually screw it, but he is almost contractually obligated to have his shirt torn. Spock bails him out with derisions of Something Something Diplomacy, I forget exactly what. And that's how the federation works. At a high level.

At a really high level, they all get zapped by plant spores and turn into hippies.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse

Does it matter? I saw this post on the Fediverse, but I also saw it on Lemmy, I also saw it on lemmy.world, I also saw it on LiftOff, I also saw it on my phone, I saw it on the internet, and I saw it while taking a shit. All those are correct and it's only an issue using any of those if it confuses the conversation and in most cases your requested level of pedantry will not add anything useful to a discussion (unless maybe the discussion is about how the Fediverse works).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I see a post on Lemmy World, then it's from Lemmy World.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So can I log into a lemmy app with my kbin details ? Or do I have to sign up on lemmy ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

🤓🤓🤓 just use whatever

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