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I'm in the process of getting my Home Assistant environment up and running, and decided to run a test: it turns out that my gaming PC (custom 5800X3D/7900XTX build) uses more power just sitting idle, than both of my storage freezers combined.

Background: In addition to some other things, I bought two "Eightree" brand Zigbee-compatible plugs to see how they fare. One is monitoring the power usage of both freezers on a power strip (don't worry, it's a heavy duty strip meant for this), and the other is measuring the usage of my entire desktop setup (including monitors and the HA server itself, a Lenovo M710q).

After monitoring these for a couple days, I decided that I will shut off my PC unless I'm actively using it. It's not a server, but it does have WOL capability, so if I absolutely need to get into it remotely, it won't be an issue.

Pretty fascinating stuff, and now my wife is completely on board as well; she wants to put a plug on her iMac to see what it draws, as she uses it to hold her cross-stitch files and other things.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago) (1 children)

Cool!

Just be cautious that you don't over-optimize for power. I ran around my house w/ a Kill-a-watt meter checking everything and made some tweaks, and I still don't think it has paid for itself since power costs are so low here ($0.12-0.13/kWh, so 10Wh 24/7 < $1/month), and some of the things I tried doing made my life kinda suck. So I backed off a bit and found a good middleground where I got 80% of the benefit w/o any real compromises.

For example, here's what I ended up with:

  • put desktop to sleep - power draw is negligible, and I don't need to keep typing my FDE password to use it
  • "upgraded" NAS from old 2009 HW to my old gaming PC HW (1st gen Ryzen) - cut power draw in half, but I had to buy some RAM; will take years to pay off w/ electricity savings, but it has much better performance in the meantime
  • turn off work laptop - was drawing ~20W; I WFH MThF, so I leave it on Th night for convenience, but have it sleep M-W and turn it off Friday

I could probably cut a bit more if I really try, but that would be annoying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

Yeah, my power bill is pretty reasonable already, considering my large family plus all the electronics I run. I just like seeing what everything is doing as a matter of curiosity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah I made a similar discovery after installing a Shelly Switch with Power Metering. The monitors and their brightness make a huge difference as well when in or near idle (for photography, so not a surprise). I've also implemented an "anti-standby" function, so the switch opens whenever the current falls under a specific threshold.

For the WoL, since I have a switch, I configured my BIOS so it would turn on after power loss. Now I can start to boot up from afar :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago

That's certainly one way to do it...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

I discovered a similar issue. PC desk was using 8-9W when the PC was turned OFF! My power strip was taking a bit under 1W (the little light, old), two smart bulbs as well but I'll allow those losses. An older Logitech speaker setup (2+1) was taking 6-7W, turned off! Crazy.. and illegal if it were made today (in EU). So this is completely wasted energy in my opinion.. started disconnecting the whole desk now.

For comparison, my home server is averaging 7-8W, turned on all the time:

I also learned that PC's draw a lot of power lol. I used to sit on my PC all day, now I know how much it cost. Even the monitor turning off splits the power draw by half.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Older speakers like that use always on transformers, constantly wasting energy to keep the core energized. You're correct those cannot be made any more, they must use efficient switch mode supplies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

What are you running your server on?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Chest freezers are exceptionally energy efficient. It's not a very good comparison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Ah, but only one is a chest freezer 😉

That, and I used to have a freezer that was a power suck.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I also found out something interesting. My desktop uses about 1/3 of the power one of my freezers do. :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

That's either a really efficient PC or a really old freezer 😂

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

The PC is effecient. It's not a gaming PC. It idles at around 16W and maxes out at 80'ish.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Couple of thoughts:

  1. That smart plug may not be rated to the max wattage when GPU and CPU are at full blast. Be careful, because that could be an expensive mistake. Place a surge protector between the smart plug and the PC to be safe. Also run the PC full tilt for a while and make sure the smart plug doesnt get warm. If it does, fores have been known to start from those.

  2. Sounds like you know this with WoL, but suspend is your friend 😉 If the gaming PC is linux and you run into suspend issues, let me know, I've seen 'em all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Place a surge protector between the smart plug and the PC to be safe.

What benefit does this serve in this situation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Fail safe. It'll trip the power before it hits the wall and burns the house potentially limiting a fire or containing whatever did happen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

how do you deal with kb+trackpad not working after wake?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago

The plugs are rated for 1800W each. Should be fine. I hit 670W a bit earlier, running Furmark VK and Cinebench R23 multi-core simultaneously for shits and giggles.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

It has never occured to me my whole life to not suspend or shut down computers overnight. It wakes up in like 2 seconds why wouldnt you, even if it used only an extra 1W

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The problem I have with this I put the PC to sleep overnight every night - and like clockwork, Windows wakes it back up sometime overnight to do.. Something.

I've been diagnosing the issue for years - checking wake timers, switching hardware devices permissions to wake the system off. I might fix it for a few months and then a new Windows update comes along and it's back to its usual routine of waking itself.

Looking forward to seeing if it persists with Linux when I move at the end of support period for Win10 later this year.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Looking forward to seeing if it persists with Linux

I have never had what you described happen in my past 15 years of using linux, i hope you find your way around things, linux is dope once you get used to it.

My PC goes down from 70W idle to 2W when suspended. I also have a master slave power strip, that turns of all my peripherals (speakers, lights, audio interface, etc) when the PC drops below 10W so that saves some extra energy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Windows is gonna Windows. Even if you did track down the issue your one update from a borked system or square one when they alter the setting and relocate it on their own accord.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

You must be pretty young, because back in the dark days of spinning HDDs a computer would take 5+ minutes to boot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Those days were at worst almost 10 years ago.
Stop living in the past with those situations.

And you get an SSD.
And YOU get an SSD.
And you fine sir also get an SSD!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Suspend != boot

Even in 2010 or earlier waking a pc from suspend would have only taken 2-3 seconds because the whole system state is in RAM not on disk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

At least until MS muddied the waters with "hibernate".

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Those storage freezers are doing nothing the vast majority of the time. Not really a fair comparison.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

My desktop PC idles quite high as well. The semi high-end consumer motherboards on the AMD side tend to use a lot of power at idle, so I think that's a big part of it (at least the x570 series, can't speak for later). And as others have said, high refresh rate and multiple monitors can make things worse.

I'll add though that people's perception of how much power there system is using can be skewed by software based monitoring tools. People may think there system is using only 50W because that's what software reports but it's actually drawing a 100W at the wall.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm eyeballing HWINFO64 right now, it's saying my GPU is idling at ~28W and the CPU is idling at ~36W. Add a couple watts for the fans, various peripherals, and waste heat; it's close to what I saw earlier.

The dual 1080p monitors eat up about 30W apiece on their own, when powered and actively displaying something. Barely a watt or two each when in standby mode.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

36 Watts idle sounds like a lot for a 5800X3D. I'll see what my 5700X3D does, never checked that. Not in software and not at the wall.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

My X670E system also uses a shitload of power. Literally 150w at idle, no matter what I do. Tried disabling every unnecessary feature in the BIOS and enabling all the energy efficient settings I can find, to no avail. Drives me nuts.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (9 children)

What kind of freezers are they? I hear that top loading freezers are quite efficient because the cool doesn't escape when it gets opened like a front loading one.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

Yeah, energy monitoring ruined several things for me. Can't let my PC idle anymore, can only turn on the dishwasher when the sun is shining, need to explain regularly to my wife, why our home network and server infrastructure consume 130 Watts per hour, have to automate all plugs with standby devices connected...

The damn freezer consumes only 400 Watts per day while Network infrastructure, server, Wallpanels and KNX consume 3 Kilowatts, I wish I would have never learned this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Just fyi, Watts is a measure of power, and WattHours is power over time. So your home network and server consume 130w, which would be 130wh after an hour, or 3120wh after a day. The chest freezer would be 400wh in a day, rather than 400w in a day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Easy to miss typing in a hurry too. I just did it above.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Thanks for the heads up, I often let the time slip when casually talking about stuff like this.

Actually the server and network consumes 130Wh or around 3120Wh a day, while my freezer (actually a fridge) consumes 400Wh per day or around 16Wh. That's also the reason why I was shocked about the consumption, as you would guess a fridge takes more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There is a reason people opt for old desktop CPUs and SSD's

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Have you considered putting your gaming pc in one of the storage freezers? /s

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