Summary

Rep. LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) sparked controversy with a fiery speech outside the Treasury Department, declaring, “We are at war!” and calling for the Senate to be shut down in response to Elon Musk’s access to federal payment systems.

Her remarks, applauded by some Democrats, drew backlash from Republicans, including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who likened them to “a call for insurrection.”

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[–] 197 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Is it really an insurrection if you're trying to save a government from destruction by outsiders?

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    Depends on who you ask. If its someone sane then no, but if it's someone who is working with the current administration then the answer is yes.

    I am frankly terrified at this insinuation and I think we will see some serious repercussions from this, on one side or the other. This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This feels like it will be used as an excuse by the Republicans to detain or even murder opposition.

    They're going to do that anyway, with or without an excuse. Trump has openly talked about it.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    The Republicans thought the same thing, to be fair. The difference is that we can be 100% confident that they’re pumped full of the most insane propaganda and are astoundingly stupid to believe that their team isn’t the most wild, overt version of everything they claim is evil.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Obviously it is. But not all insurrections are wrong.

    Committing an insurrection because you lost an election is far less laudable than committing insurrection against an increasingly fascist dictatorship.

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    [–] 169 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Insurrection when you're just mad you lost an election: 😁

    Insurrection when your government is doing blatantly illegal things and the branch of government and party to which you belong refuses to hold anyone accountable because you're all complicit traitors: 😡

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    [–] 82 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    A call for insurrection? Like when she put pipe bombs all over the capital?

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    [–] 74 points 2 years ago*

    Yeah, and...?

    The key point here is that an insurrection against fascism is justified, while an insurrection in favor of it is not.

    Liberty and tyranny are not fucking morally equivalent!

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  • [–] 72 points 2 years ago

    Seems the only people offended are the Nazis. So, good for McIVer.

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  • [+] 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 49 points 2 years ago

    Republicans have been saying they were at war for the past decade+ But I suppose it's "controversial" now since a Dem has said it.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    We are already at "war". A strange feature of modern (idealism) warfare is to keep your opponents from realizing while you advance your armies.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    Oh look, the kiddie fiddlers and book burners that accuse others of being pedos and anti free speech are accusing people of things again.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    The Republican party has long referred to the events of January 6th as "legitimate political discourse", and Trump even went so far as to pardon those who stormed the capital on January 6th.

    Well, if it's legitimate political discourse, there shouldn't be any problem in us doing it either.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    More energy like this from the democrats please. I yearn for these crocodile tears. I would like to wish Marjorie a very merry BAAAWWWWWWWW

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    "Democrat lunatics want us all dead, and have declared war on all of us. Protect your family accordingly," wanted the American Firearms Association on Facebook.

    Holly shit, are these people shameless.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    At what point to left-leaning states governors start building up their own militias?

    I'm asking this as a Canadian, I honestly don't know what the process is vis a vis state militia vs federal military.

    Up until recently I felt like at a certain point, there were lines that the military would not cross regarding Trump orders. But now I'm kind of terrified that they really haven't pushed back at all, meaning if it comes down to it, it's all going to up to the individual states.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    I've already written my governer to ask to be on a mailing list for any state sponsored militias. I also said that he should very seriously entertain the notion of filing charges against Trump, Musk, Vance, and all of their cabinet and appointees and court nominations for Treason. Treason can be filed at both the state and federal level, and there have been a number of successful convictions of treason at the state level.

    More importantly, it saddles trump and his cronies with charges that will make it justified for both state and federal militias to remove them from power by any means necessary. At that point just deputize members of your state militia, and they will have to take an oath to protect the nation from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC. They now have legal protections backed by the charges filed by the state. Now you fund those militia's and give them military kit, and refuse to cooperate with federal officials until a new election has been held and trump has been removed from power.

    This is a fucking war, and the victors will write the history of it. The most important part is that facism and all of its supporters lose, and suffer the full consequences for their actions.

    It doesn't matter what you do to republicans now, just do it swiftly and severly, and the next president can pardon you and tie up the loop holes.

    The same tactics that facists are using to destroy the country CAN also be used to save it. We just have to act with strength and conviction.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    State militias already exist, we call them "National Guard"

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Well not exactly. The Executive branch is the top authority for the National Guard. If Trump wants to send the California National Guard to the Texas border with Mexico he can.

    The closest analogue to a militia would be the California Highway Patrol. Trump can't command them to do shit about fuck. However they're not really on par as far as logistics and material. Considering they don't have an airforce, or any appreciable armor assets.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    Good. That's what I want to hear from elected Democrats. The left didn't bring us here. If the GOP wants war, I think it's time we give it to them.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    While I'll grant Trailer Trash Barbie knows a thing or two about insurrection, bitch don't know a goddamn thing about patriotism.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    Unfortunately, that is what we are left with. All the other means of change have been and continue to be disabled and otherwise shutdown

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    There's a protest planned for today near you. If you'd like to attend below is a bit of info.

    Some more media mentions, mostly local and brief:

    edit:

    BONUS:

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    near you.

    I appreciate the effort, but this sort of minimizes just how far a lot of people are from a state capital, and how unlikely they can just up and take a day in the middle of the week to just go to their state capital. Particularly on what was, at most, a week's notice. This just seems doomed to produce an underwhelming turnout.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Oh man, Americans might do something to fight back against Fascism.

    (I am legitimately cheering you on from up North <3)

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Well, it is a Nazi government now, so, what are you gonna do?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah I said when we say it, nobody is trying to remove the metal detectors from around the Capitol building and stockpiling guns in nearby hotel rooms, placing pipe bombs in the streets. Nope, that's just Republicans. And that's why they have their motto "we are all domestic terrorists."

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I seem to be getting a freedom-boner. Does this mean they're going to do something about the coup instead of just talk about it?

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Lol MGT. Didn't she want Georgia to secede? That girl has no business being where she is, but neither do most of our politicians.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    I mean it would be a good time to grab those generals and intel agents that are being let go currently to help org things if they really wanna do something. Boot lickers are never as good as those who are passionate.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I voted for fiery speeches outside the Treasury Department

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Could it be? Has the collective spine of Dems finally grown in?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    At least one Dem is using the correct terminology for what is going on.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I agree, we need insurrection.

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