Like, if its collapsed, do I file? Do I even have to?

I am most certainly going to pay my state tax, but then what? What about stuff like my social security funds?

(I am asking for others because we're at that point now I suppose)

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[–] 78 points 2 years ago (8 children)

To be fair, if you’re a W-2 employee, they already have your money from withholding. So it’s not like you’re taking dollars from the irs by not filing your return, it just means you don’t get your rebate.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    On that note... it might make sense to set a really low withholding this year.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Rest assured, you will be paying taxes to somebody until the day you die.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago

    Always file. If the IRS collapses you paperwork means nothing. If it survives a collapse, having not filled will bite you in the ass.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    IRS has plans listed for an apocalyptic event (basically they need to continue tax collection within 48 hours), but they do work for the government. Without the government; you wouldn't need to pay taxes; but it would be the least of your concerns.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They won't. This whole thing is undermining the IRS. They don't have the manpower they won't have the budget. Tax cuts for the rich also equals cuts to go after them. It's a free for all now

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @doomsdayrs Since Trump is trying to kill the income tax by reassigning all IRS agents to the border, my guess is that - when the U.S. government collapses under the weight of sheer stupidity - you won't have to file on time.

    But after the chaos settles down, it will depend on who ends up in control.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Do people really think the US state and its monopoly on violence is going to collapse in the foreseeable future?

    The US has been run by oligarchs since its formation as a bourgeois state after its bourgeois revolution (previously). That this is more nakedly obvious this week than last doesn’t really change that fact.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Actually yes, there are more oligarchs than the idiots in charge right now, and it's going to come to a head at some point. Each one has their feifdom and they won't go quietly.

    More to the point, it's going to reach the point of mass protest again, and moron is going to call in the military. After which everything is on the table. No one in power will be safe in anything but armored transport and guarded villages, which won't last long. At that point the US and it's global hegemony will be broken. There won't be the resources to project military power beyond our borders and a few subject states, because it will cost so much to keep security at home, and productivity will tank hard.

    No one can beat the US military except the US itself, and it's being forced to do just that.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    You are assuming you will still have a job, or that US dollars will still have value.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    You will end up paying the share of taxes to your state government that you currently do to the federal government. If the federal government collapses, all 50 states are now de facto independent. Those states can now start forming a new country or new collection of countries as they will.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    if you think it's all likely to fall apart soon, file asap if you're expecting to get money back, but put it off as long as possible if you're gonna have to pay them more. if the government is going down, might as well get your piece of it while you can.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes even if you are dead you have to file taxes

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    And pay with what? Would the dollar still even exist?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Why bother? Money that's sent will go to their defense efforts against our revolutionaries so if you're on their side feel free. If not keep it and buy your own ammo for protection from invasion

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    I already filed im just hoping i get my return on time ;-;

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If the government collapses, you're gunna have much worse things to worry about than taxes.

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  • Just pay your 50% federal sales tax on everything

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    You could do the formality just in case it doesn't. I suppose you could skip paying anything you owe if they do end up collapsing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Fellas don't start getting stupid with your money because you're scared. You can't help others if you don't help yourself first. Most likely the federal government will still be collecting taxes and you will still be fucked later

    It's a fine idea for a protest action however. Make a thing , get hundreds of people behind you before Going down this path. Even then probably A risky idea.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    The enclave will be expecting it, and the Frank they're sending ain't the one from Philadelphia

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  • Jokes aside, the IRS actually has contingency plans to continue collecting taxes in the event of an apocalypse, so yes probably.

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  • Im not sure what you mean by we are at this point. The government will be collapsed to that level when it lacks the beuracracy and then you would not be getting the witholding done on your paycheck because there would be no system to do so. Alternatively if the government loses the capability of enforcing it that would let you get away with it. If the withholding is going on and if your not relatively rich, then odds are doing your taxes results in a refund.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I'm super excited to see it happen quickly that all the social security I paid in is going to be fucked off and maybe my fed taxes too... cause yay orange Hitler is now a dictator and no one can stop him

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    It's not that. They don't have the people to make an example

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