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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Just came from a CNN article rambling about Chinese censorship on Rednote. There's something really ironic about American media trying to paint China as the villains for censorship when the thing that prompted the migration was the US banning an app just for being Chinese. It's the same kind of two-faced hypocrisy as when they got caught spending years of making Russia a villain for Ukraine, then dismissed the highly visible crimes of Israel in Gaza.

At some point, I'd hope more Americans will realize there's a big difference between what the US claims rival countries are doing, and the very visible reality of what allied countries are doing. I'm glad to see thousands of Americans realizing they've been lied to, but I know millions more are only going to see the cultivated media response and reaffirm their programmed biases. Hard to stay optimistic, living in the Imperial Core.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I read through this and I hate it.

Author apparently regularly speaks at the UN and is writing a book on ethical AI? I see we are off to a great start. And by the second paragraph we already have:

But dig a little deeper, and the reality becomes far more insidious.

Every post, like, and comment exists in an ecosystem designed to prioritize “core socialist values” over freedom of speech.

Remind me which country is the one banning TikTok and censoring speech?

For instance, posts addressing politically sensitive issues, such as criticism of Chinese cybersecurity laws or advocacy for human rights in Xinjiang, have reportedly been flagged or removed

Assuming they even are (note reportedly), not really a bad thing. You don't need to sell me on the platform more Jason.

In a report by China Digital Times, RedNote’s (Xiaohongshu) content moderation includes strict guidelines for handling “sudden incidents,” a term used to describe politically or socially sensitive topics.

One might assume that China Digital Times is a Chinese newspaper as the name might suggest to a layperson. However, they are based in California and have direct connections to the US government. Hardly an unbiased source to be citing.

By exporting a content control and surveillance model, RedNote challenges the open exchange of ideas on which democracy depends.

If the open exchange of ideas is that critical to democracy, isn't the US a more egregious offender? All of this stems from the US's instigating actions, China did literally nothing except provide a service that they have provided for years.

Joining RedNote has also brought Westerners closer to Chinese citizens than ever before.

Framing this as a negative, even subtly, is arguably the most evil thing in an article chock full of propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

China Digital Times

one of their sponsors is literally NED, yep

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Every single time 😱

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Their argument (or rather chatgpt's argument) is basically that there's heavy moderation but I took a look at the for you page and the exodees love the moderation. I really don't get what forbes is complaining about. There's rules to live in society.

Someone said they were doxxed on Instagram and meta never did anything about it but on rednote someone called them a slur and their account got deleted within the hour.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

In a nutshell, they're complaining about losing control of the narrative. To their great chagrin, they see that people don't give a fuck about the fact that the platform is moderated, and they're embracing it. They spent decades telling people that freeze peach is more important than material conditions, and now people are rejecting this message.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My understanding is that xiaohongshu bad because they can't use it to spread fake news, aka le democratic values™.

Also funnily says that tiktok is a free battleground for ideas but doesn't mention why the US gov is banning it, only that "ze market is closing".

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Jason Alan Snyder is a technologist, futurist, and inventor based in New York City.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

lmfao that's so perfect

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Is this ai?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

OpenAI> a technologist, futurist, and inventor based in New York City

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i just read a whole nothing burger 🥴 people get paid to write this crap?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

They are paid to write prompts for chatGPT, then copy paste that crap as articles

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Read mine instead it has 25 citations because I know some nerds are gonna say "um but china tho" https://criticalresist.substack.com/p/as-us-youths-move-to-rednote-amid

edit: also this feels AI generated

But dig a little deeper, and the reality becomes far more insidious. RedNote isn’t just another app; it’s a tightly controlled platform that exports censorship, reshapes youth culture, and quietly undermines the democratic ideals its community takes for granted.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Exports censorship" Weird, and here I thought that Red was the one freely available everywhere and TikTok was the one being censored by the USians.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it also implies that censorship is okay as long as it's westerners doing it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Nono you see, the US gov is not censoring Tiktok, its "closing its market". 🤓

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Thank you comrade 😊

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

libs wouldn't know anything about self censorship 🤣️️

and not the redrawing of boundaries of acceptable thought!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Even if he were right it would still be beneficial for liberal ideals about "open debate" and freeze peach and so on and so on if people got the Chinese state's narrative in addition to the heavily curated western narrative that they have been stewing in since birth.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

These people have no fucking shame. It's like they explained what American social media is to a T and then they were like, "but China actually".

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"As these behaviors are modeled for younger audiences, the boundaries of permissible discourse are reinforced, creating a culture where conformity is rewarded, and challenging the status quo is discouraged.

The result? A generation less inclined to challenge authority or fight for democratic ideals."

Bro challenging authority is literally why people are moving to this app. They're tired of being told what to think and how to feel. They're tired of their free speech being stifled. They're tired of the lies and propaganda. Is it a democratic ideal to ban one of the most popular apps in America. I think not!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Its funny coming from an american, famously non-conformists and revolutionary.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

God forbid a social media application is moderated. How will I tell people to removed or removed, harass and swat them for no reason, post psychologically damaging images, or be a running dog for imperialism? This is literally 1984. Ignore how our country banned an app because people on it were sympathetic to a people being genocided btw. That's free speech, baby!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As far as I have seen so far the only complaints are that women (and men) that are scantily clad dancing erotically aka “thirst traps”, insulting people, or overt racism/sexism (God forbid!) are the only things that are banned. I have posted American political stuff, things on Palestine, Luigi… nothing gets banned. I guess posting about Chinese politics would get you banned but as an American wtf would I be doing that?!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I think the most important aspect of the whole thing is in regular people just talking to each other. This was the real promise of the internet to facilitate these kinds of organic connections across the globe. Millions of Americans are now realizing that people in China are just like them, and that they're not their enemy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Young American have realised the previously hidden fascist tendencies of the US Empire, now in this most blatant of moves of censorship. They are really starting to get mad and as an indirect result are learning about their so-called "enemies" in the East. This is literally the "decades happening in weeks", years of propaganda and disinformation being unlearned by hundreds of thousands, probably millions of Americans. Now they see they have an alternative, and are not confined to the capitalist realism anymore. I have great hopes for the young and radical of the US, I hope this goes as best for them as possible for them and the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

❤️‍🔥

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Good, good, let the Streisand effect flow through you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

what comments? is my adblocker blocking them?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The bewilderment is surprising to see; what did they expect would happen when you take away the biggest social media site for people under 35

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I think they just assumed everybody would crawl back to threads or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably. I had to switch to my vanilla browser and disable my Pi-hole equivalent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

that's too bad; i think i would have liked to see forbes people freak out about people not doing what they want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

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