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This may make some people pull their hair out, but I’d love to hear some arguments. I’ve had the impression that people really don’t like bash, not from here, but just from people I’ve worked with.

There was a task at work where we wanted something that’ll run on a regular basis, and doesn’t do anything complex aside from reading from the database and sending the output to some web API. Pretty common these days.

I can’t think of a simpler scripting language to use than bash. Here are my reasons:

  • Reading from the environment is easy, and so is falling back to some value; just do ${VAR:-fallback}; no need to write another if-statement to check for nullity. Wanna check if a variable’s set to something expected? if [[ <test goes here> ]]; then <handle>; fi
  • Reading from arguments is also straightforward; instead of a import os; os.args[1] in Python, you just do $1.
  • Sending a file via HTTP as part of an application/x-www-form-urlencoded request is super easy with curl. In most programming languages, you’d have to manually open the file, read them into bytes, before putting it into your request for the http library that you need to import. curl already does all that.
  • Need to read from a curl response and it’s JSON? Reach for jq.
  • Instead of having to set up a connection object/instance to your database, give sqlite, psql, duckdb or whichever cli db client a connection string with your query and be on your way.
  • Shipping is… fairly easy? Especially if docker is common in your infrastructure. Pull Ubuntu or debian or alpine, install your dependencies through the package manager, and you’re good to go. If you stay within Linux and don’t have to deal with differences in bash and core utilities between different OSes (looking at you macOS), and assuming you tried to not to do anything too crazy and bring in necessary dependencies in the form of calling them, it should be fairly portable.

Sure, there can be security vulnerability concerns, but you’d still have to deal with the same problems with your Pythons your Rubies etc.

For most bash gotchas, shellcheck does a great job at warning you about them, and telling how to address those gotchas.

There are probably a bunch of other considerations but I can’t think of them off the top of my head, but I’ve addressed a bunch before.

So what’s the dealeo? What am I missing that may not actually be addressable?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Pretty much all languages are middleware, and most of the original code was shell/bash. All new employees in platform/devops want to immediately push their preferred language, they want java and rust environments. It's a pretty safe bet if they insist on using a specific language; then they don't know how awk or sed. Bash has all the tools you need, but good developers understand you write libraries for functionality that's missing. Modern languages like Python have been widely adopted and has a friendlier onboarding and will save you time though.

Saw this guy's post in another thread, he's strawmanning because of lack of knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Pretty much all languages are middleware, and most of the original code was shell/bash.

What? I genuinely do not know what you mean by this.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Run checkbashisms over your $PATH (grep for #!/bin/sh). That's the problem with Bash.
#!/bin/sh is for POSIX compliant shell scripts only, use #!/bin/bash if you use bash syntax.

Btw, i quite like yash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Always welcome a new shell. I’ve not heard of yash but I’ll check it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Any reason to use #!/bin/sh over #!/usr/bin/env sh?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I personally don't see the point in using the absolute path to a tool to look up the relative path of your shell, because shell is always /bin/sh but the env binary might not even exist.

Maybe use it with bash, some BSD's or whatever might have it in /usr without having /bin symlinked to /usr/bin.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Using python makes it much easier to maintain scripts especially if they are useful for many people. I like bash for adhoc stuff on my machine or my sandbox, but most of my coworkers are not strong in it so it's not good for prod ops.

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