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[–] 163 points 2 years ago (4 children)

See, there is absolutely no reason for this. It's simply out of spite for their users.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    No, it isn't. They don't disable Office on Windows 10 on that date.
    They just don't take Windows 10 into account anymore in developing updates to the office apps.
    Which means those apps might stop working at some point if an update to them happens to break Windows 10 compatibility.

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  • [–] 122 points 2 years ago (5 children)
  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Seriously, why people feel attached to office in 2025.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, it's the corporate standard. With that said, it's actually kind of surprising how little I use the Office suite on my work computer (other than Outlook I guess). More and more things are becoming web based.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    It's vendor lockin. Office file formats are not properly open. There is a "temporary" closed bit that they promised to open to get through ISO, but then never did. The whole ISO thing was a massive exercise in corruption. Let alone the fact the reference implementation is closed. Shame Groklaw isn't as easy to search and link now.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The last time I used LibreOffice was admittedly a couple years ago but it was just plain clunky in comparison to MS Office. Word feels nicer to use than Writer, and Excel is more intuitive than Calc.

    I'm glad that FOSS alternatives exist, but the older I get the more I turn into a boring normie. Office just works. I can collaborate on our budget with my girlfriend, I can pull up my resume and edit it on my phone, I can share files with my friends or with my boss or with my prof. And I don't have to maintain any infrastructure to do that. I don't have to set up a domain or any kind of server, it's a couple hours' pay. For a year of relatively seamless support.

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  • [–] 74 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The harder MS tries to force Win11 on me the clearer it becomes how bad it is.

    I will move to another office suit,install, and learn a completely new OS like Linux after 40 years of Windows before I ever install their unnecessary and untrustworthy data-miner.

    Win10 was bad but most of it could be removed/worked around. This time it's clearly war against typical users so F it I'm out.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    before I ever install their unnecessary and untrustworthy data-miner

    You're about [current year minus year you installed Win10] years too late for that. That said, if you intend to come over to Linux, it's probably best to set time-bounded goals for yourself instead of vaguely putting it off until MS does something that crosses some poorly defined line, else you risk having to chaotically abandon ship at the last minute and making the transition much harder.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    To add on if you have multiple machines in your home, move one machine to something easy like Arch Mint now to ease yourself in. I dropped a 2nd SSD for Mint in main machine and haven't booted my win install in over 2 years and even then it was unnecessary. Currently I'm up to the family computer on Mint, 2 laptops running Tumbleweed and Fedora, a server on Debian, 2 Raspberry Pis on Raspian, and a router on FreeBSD.

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    For those about to switch, welcome to Linux! If you have AMD hardware give Linux Mint a shot. If you have NVIDIA, Pop!_OS is worth your first install.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Pop_OS is a good alternative. I still believe that most non-gaming adults would be happy with Firefox and LibreOffice on Linux.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I switched about two weeks ago to PopOS on my gaming PC. Everything works smoothly now, but I am also highly knowledgeable with computers and work as a sysadmin. Even PopOS isn’t plug and play for someone who just turn on their PC and launches Steam to play some games. Whilst all my games work now, almost every game requires a small tuning, some small fix, some config changing to work properly. I wouldn’t recommend Linux gaming to those who aren’t technically capable enough to know how to install an OS or research distros without following a tutorial.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Me, with an AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU, who is expecting to maybe upgrade to an Intel GPU this year and swap to Linux: visible confusion

    We truly do live in the weirdest timeline.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I would just worry about GPU drivers honestly, Intel seems to be doing fine on Linux for the most part.

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  • Yeah, it's really the fact that I am even saying that I might have a system with an AMD CPU and an Intel GPU running Linux that throws me for a loop. I'm pretty sure I can learn to handle any of that, but that is certainly not a sentence I would've expected myself to say 10 years ago.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Why the recommendation of different distros for different GPU?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    That's just my guess: Linux mint may be easier to get into and more popular, however it doesn't come with pre installed proprietary drivers. Pop OS is based on the same distro so should be similar enough, but it comes with pre packaged drivers

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If I am the average computer user with very little literacy when it comes to operating software, how do I go about switching from Windows to Linux? Is there a tutorial anyone recommends?

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  • [–] [B] 6 points 2 years ago

    Zorin OS will be the most seamless transition to Linux based operating system.

    It offers a user-friendly and familiar interface, especially for Win users with customizable layouts, pre-installed software, and tools like Zorin Connect for seamless device integration. It's optimized for performance on both modern and older hardware, provides strong security features, and delivers a polished, visually appealing experience with minimal learning required.

    You can try it via live USB, compare to Mint before deciding and installing one. Start from 2:28.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Switch to Linux Mint and Libreoffice. You will thank me later!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I've been using LibreOffice and before that OpenOffice for as long as I've known about them being options. It's honestly baffling to me that any home user would ever pay for MS Office. What on Earth does it offer that any home user could conceivably need?

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    That's when Windows 10 stops getting security updates. Expect most software vendors to drop support for Windows 10 this year if they haven't already. That doesn't necessarily mean things will stop working, but it will not be tested and they won't spend time fixing Win10-specific problems.

    In enterprise, you can get an additional three years of "extended security updates". That's your grace period to get everyone in your org upgraded.

    While I strongly relate to anyone who hates Windows 11, "continue using Windows 10 forever" was never a viable long-term strategy.

    Windows 10 was released in 2015. Ten years of support for an OS is industry-leading, on par with Red Hat or Ubuntu's enterprise offerings and far ahead of any competing consumer OS. Apple generally only offers three years of security updates. Google provides 3-4 years of security updates. Debian gets 5 years.

    There has never been a time in the history of personal computing when using an OS for over 10 years without a major upgrade was realistic. That would be like using Windows 3.1 after XP was released. Windows 10 is dead, and it's been a long time coming.

    Now go download Fedora.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child)
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    Windows was doing an Ubuntu-like release cycle on 10 with standard releases every 6 months and LTS releases every 2 years. There was no need for them to release Windows 11 other than branding. They could have simply kept up their scheduled release cadence like every linux distro does.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    libreoffice, however, will continue to support windows 10

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Me, still using a site licensed copy of Office 2007 from a job I had over a decade ago.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    So, an abundance of software companies come and go while they stand tallest for decades. Then, now, at this moment just when shit is going down, they decide to try the business model all other failing companies used. God it must be such a different world for these decision makers that can't see how actual people think and act. It's a baffling phenomenon to me.

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  • [+] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I just realized. Windows 10 is being shelved but there is only one version ahead of it.

    I remember xp still being considered good when i had win 8 installed.

    How is that not understood as as a blatant attempt to maximize user control?

    Actually looking at the numbers xp and 8.1 retired within 2 years of eachother. And 10 first got retired in 2020 a year before win 11 was released to make way of windows as a service updates which is actually what is getting retired later this year.

    Microsoft kindly please get your shit together… or dont and strengthen my work requests to migrate systems to Linux.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Microsoft is a lot more aggressive with EoLing it's Windows versions now exactly because XP lived so long. It was an absolute pain for them to maintain and support that for so long and they've made very sure they don't repeat that experience.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    No thanks, it takes excel 2-3 seconds to load a blank document, which pisses me off every time.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    So what's the news here? Win 10 support ends in october. Doesn't that automatically mean that they will also not support office apps running on Win 10 starting october?

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    LibreOffice and OnlyOffice are decent replacements. I haven't paid for Microsoft Office in decades.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    It's time to use LibreOffice & OnlyOffice

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'll use Windows 10 and pay for the updates for years while using old versions of office. Fuck Windows 11.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Lots of people using libre office.

    Where my open offices boys at!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Holy shit, that's quick

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I am so glad that LibreOffice products satisfy my needs, can't even imagine having to upgrade just to use the Office suite! That sounds insane but thankfully LibreOffice, again, is solid but I get if Microsoft Office is better in a professional setting.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    That is pretty rough, even for Micor$oft.

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