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Telegram Shared Data of Thousands of Users After CEO’s Arrest (www.securityweek.com)
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[–] 38 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

Well let this be a lesson that encrypted messaging hosted on corporate servers is only encrypted as long as the authorities allow it.

Also criminals gonna get in trouble.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It never was encrypted. If it was they wouldn't have anything to turn over.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is false. There is still plenty of metadata that centralized providers can capture and turn over and that is usually sufficient for law-enforcement to get the information they want.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is false. They cannot turn over any type of data that is encrypted. Metadata or otherwise. That's the point of encryption.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Except that most of the metadata isn't encrypted anywhere and usually also can't be encrypted as otherwise the service wouldn't be able to function.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Plenty of services encrypt metadata. You need to do more research.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You seem to be highly misinformed what metadata is. A server for example will always have access to unencrypted IP addresses from the clients connecting to it, this is impossible to avoid unless you use a service like Tor that relays internet traffic, but that has very little to do with "encryption".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    According to signal facts all the have is your phone number and and the date you signed up for the service and the last day you connected to the server. IP address are not logged or stored the do t have access to it and signal has said this everytime the get a warrent for user data. So yes it is possible to have a secure service that doesn't collect IP addresses but yes the do have some limited data so you are correct.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That is all they claim to store for later retrival*, which is not the same as what they would be able to capture in real-time and hand over to law-enforcement if forced to by a court (and they wouldn't be able to tell you about it because of a gag-order).

    *However this claim is contradicted by the source-code of their server (which they sometimes publish) which seems to store significantly more and of course this is assuming the code is indeed the same as the one they run on their servers, which is unclear.

    Edit: and their servers run on AWS, so even if Signal itself doesn't store the IP addresses, Amazon certainly could.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Very good and true point well said I agree with you on that good thing I am not important enough for it to be a issue lol or do anything illegal.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Passive data collection is an issue for me even though I am also not important. I do use Signal, but only with my true identity and with a few people I know from real life. When it comes to purely online communities, I compartmentalize my identities.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Another thing a server can easily access is the timestamp of messages. Even if that is somehow stored encrypted in the server, messages are sent in real time and the server can easily log those, so an e2e encryption chat service will at the very least have logs with IP and timestamps. This can't really be avoided.

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    • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Just remember Telegram also shared Taiwan user data do China during the protests.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Glad I've never used it.

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    • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Why wouldn't it? They had all the data in plaintext, they just chose not to cooperate. This was the only possible outcome.

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Telegram used to be so darn satisfying to use years ago, but as soon as they started peddling a crypto"currency" it all went downhill. Deleted my account a month ago.

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    [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In my country it was never seen as anything else than a disinformation platform for Russian shills and rich "famous" people posting shit about invermicin and corona.

    Sinal, Threema for security. WhatsApp/Wechat for Family. Telegram... for family you don't want but sadly have.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    And where I am at, Telegram is just the main social network nowadays. VKontakte became unusable garbage even for an average person, Facebook never gained traction in the first place, Instagram and Tiktok are not that suitable for communities, Whatsapp is purely a messenger - and Telegram appeals to everyone, being a hybrid of a social media and messenger. So, while I was able to avoid Whatsapp, Telegram is actually hard to leave. Unuversity, art meetups, education channels - all there. I did get a few people to use encrypted messaging with me, but most don't care about privacy because Telegram is convenient and everyone is on there.

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    • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This will continue to happen until someone bigger than the US gov steps up to bat and drops feds on their asses in a pile when they try to arrest them. The day is coming, I'm looking forward to the news reports of federal officers being carried unconscious onto either a grassy area, or just a pile in front of the building, and being told if they try again they die. I want to see feds crying like the little bitches they are...

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