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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is true, but it's also STILL WORSE to vote for the greater evil. You need to change the options available to you to fix this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's also true that you get backlashes normally if the system doesn't get to far out of wack. FDR wasnt right of Hoover Coolridge and Harding. Sure one can argue overall we were shifting to the right... But we were NEVER going to be left of center so long as the U.S. existed, because the constitution is built on capitalism. Capitalism has a slow decay, can it be fixed? Maybe. Is it fixable now, maybe not. Could we have fixed it if we followed Carter with a closer to center President instead of Reagan, A LOT easier to have done it then... It took 60 years to get taxes on the rich to this point.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (56 children)

OK, what else do you suggest? Not voting? That just speeds the process up. Voting for the small but much better option? In a FPTP voting system (like the American one that I assume you're talking about), the spoiler effect means that's as good as not voting.

This is my issue with the leftist community in general, and especially the ml group. Because of idealism, they seem to ask for something that doesn't exist and not accept anything else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

OK, what else do you suggest?

I suggest that the party take the fucking hint and move to the left. But that's not an option you will consider.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yep, that's why I always vote for the bigger evil.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Your caption totally doesn't match these graphs.

'The lesser evil' might as well be left (leaning) from the majorities POV. In that case the shift would be to the left. And furthermore you seem to be assuming that this shift continues because you keep voting for the 'lesser evil'?

I think that's contradictory. Voting for someone is telling them you like their course best. Why would they change their course if they are already getting the votes? (Or lead the polls?) They would only do so to capture another parties audience - and only if their own ideas are not popular (enough) already. So the contrary is true: Parties tend towards whoever is getting more votes. This is only logical, because that's ultimately what they need.

Having to vote for a 'lesser evil' just means your system is broken, corrupt, or you feel like you have no other option. In functioning democratic systems, you will see fluctuations based on the general sentiment towards current topics. What's currently going on tends to have a much more significant impact on voters than any ideals.

To give you a very simplistic example: Economy bad -> People vote for guy who (they think) will fix it. This was a big factor in Trumps victory. (And there are probably also more racist then you think.)

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