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Let's face it, the dems don't care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.

Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.

my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.

edit:

well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I'm going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.

Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that's our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Since you seem interested, start one. Don't ask someone to do it for you, or for their approval. Do what you truly believe, not what others support.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Seeking approval is kinda what politics is. That'd be the poll in politics.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If you do. I think it’s a great idea.

But don’t fall into the “green party” loophole of just sabotaging neo-liberal democrats and helping literal facists get elected.

Start local. Run for seats you can win. Priosritise states with open primary systems.

We need a grassroots movement.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Right now is actually the perfect time to create a third party. You have effectively two years to get people excited about an actual progressive party and if the DNC come knocking saying you're going to split the vote, tell them that they are splitting the vote and they should fold into you.

I'm fucking tired of the Democrats learning the wrong lessons from lost elections. They'd rather lose than give up power.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or hijack the democratic platforms like how magats hijacked republican party.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

There is a reason why it worked for the Republicans and won't work for the Democrats: the bases are vastly different.

Republicans, by in large, will vote for a Republican even if they don't like the candidate. I saw this a lot when I was a poll worker. They don't even care about their platform. So long as they have an R at the end of their name, they get a vote from Republicans.

While Democrats vote Democrat, they'll only come out to vote if they are energized. They won't come out to vote if they don't feel like you've earned it. We saw this in 2016 and 2024.

Simply put, Republicans are more reliable voters.

The Democrat tent is very large with often conflicting values. A lot of single-issue voters will simply stay home than to vote for a Democrat. Because of this, it is rare when a candidate will arise that will galvanize and coalesce the base.

The last time it happened was Obama.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Y'all need an actual left of center, worker based party to undo this late stage capitalist nightmare that's happening now

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Phew, a lot of their Democrats actually seem to think they sit left of the spectrum, and they already get called commies by their right wing. Their brains might split in two when they realize that their Democrats are merely another side of the same liberal coin...

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Need to fix the broken FPTP voting system first. Otherwise any left leaning political party will just take votes away from the dems and hand the election to the republicans.

And Republicans know this by the way, any left leaning fringe party will get financial donations from the Republican Party,

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Should you? Why shouldnt you?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably doesn't have enough money

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think we're going to gain any traction until we override Citizens United and make bribing public officials illegal again. That would allow us to take back the legislative process and begin passing bills that the super rich are not going to like.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

First order: Greed Crimes

Any white collar crime done for the sole benefit of enriching one or siphoning money away from citizens or workers.

Regulatory capture, pyramid schemes, political bribery, hidden tax havens, environmental distruction, writing bills like citizens united, cutting social services, forming monopolies, competition buyouts, blatant conflicts of interest, etc.

We have hate crimes, when something is done out of hatred for a people it is given the harshest penalty because it hurts an entire group.

The thing is, greed crimes ruin the lives of thousands and millions, possibly everyone, and in my opinion should be capital offenses.

We need an investigative oversight committee that stop all functions of a person or company while looking into accusations. If found guilty, a company is dismantled, an individual is executed, their will is ignored and all assets are liquidated and used to remedy the situation that was created.

If found not guilty, you're closely monitored by the greed crime committee for an agreed period. If you are accused of three sepparate greed crimes and different times, even if found not guilty, you should be considered a bad faith potential, and exiled or removed from any position of power.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

That's something Vietnam got right, sentence the corrupt billionaires to death. their greed destroys lives and kills countless people, yet we do nothing to fight back. screw that. It's time to fight back now.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

Depose party

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Until we have a voting system where 3rd parties are viable (for example. Ranked Choice Voting, Star Voting, Approval Voting, etc.), we absolutely do not benefit in any way for the existence of more parties.

Whether intentional or not, America today is a two-party system by design. If you want more choices beyond the Democrats and Republicans, you need to help us enact voting system reforms which are necessary to allow 3rd parties to exist legitimately. We aren't joking when we say that voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away; it very much is.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Since the democratic party has become arguably centered instead of left, its natural that a new left leaning party should become mainstream

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

To everyone bringing up FPTP, other countries manage to not have it, it can be done, so stop fighting so hard against efforts to doing away with it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, with a caveat.

Create a single-issue party for something like free healthcare, with your sole goal to be to drain votes from Democrats. Gain enough traction, and that party will welcome you into the fold with open arms, and will actually fucking listen to your issue as their primary platform.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

No, because "caring about commoners" and "shitting on the rich" are not actually the same objective. People are happy about it because it feels good to get revenge or for people who treat others unfairly to be punished, but sating popular bloodthirst isn't necessarily aligned with actually making society a better place. "Kill the bad people and the problems will be fixed" is historically very much a famous last words kind of sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be better to join a party that already has shitting on the rich as part of its mission? I mean the two big parties don't have that, but some of the small ones do AFAIK.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

that's the thing, i can't think of any. the communist party of america is very much just full of tankies circle jerking about how ccp and north korea actually good, the green party is all about spoiling the dems and never actually do anything, the libertarians are fundamentally opposed to my political views. the only political party i can think of would be the bull moose party, but afaik they went extinct after teddy roosevelt.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

First past the post is what you're tangling with.

https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

It makes it so third parties only hurt their closest friend and lose to their least favorite party. Taking that energy into the democratic party itself is probably the best bet. Not good, but best.

In ranked choice, yes a new party would probably be best.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (9 children)

No. Socialists of the past have never won any political victories by saying "rich bad," the victory comes from presenting alternative solutions like public ownership and central planning. What you are describing is adventurism, not a genuine revolutionary movement.

I suggest you read my intro to Marxism list.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean the French revolution would like a word with you.

Also rich bad. It's demonstrably true that rich people are completely disconnected from reality and will step on anyone to maintain their wealth.

It is not all of them, but it is most of them. History has always seen class warfare and this time is not different .

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't see why shitting on rich cunts needs to be political, they are a problem and they should get what they fucking deserve Joker style, simple as that.

But if we're making new parties anyway, one of the primary mandates should absolutely be about completely and utterly ruining the lives of anyone that makes an unnecessary amount of money or hurts others for personal gain.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

we've been shit on too long by the ruling class, it's time we shat back.

We need to dismantle the economic policies which were set when reagan took power. bring back the 75% tax on the wealthiest, tax the shit out of big corpos, tax the shit on inheritance taxes when it's over a certain threshold, end for-profit healthcare and hearth insurance. And undo whatever the hell don the con is going to do when he takes office.

If you want to join, please go to the community https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty, we need to get the ball rolling so we don't lose this momentum

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We don't need a party devoted to shitting on any specific other group. We need one that is devoted to building up regular, every day people instead of the already obscenely wealthy. Like, actually devoted to that and not simply giving lip service to it while working against it (like Conservatives tend to do), or doing as little as they can to get "good guy points" while still sucking a big, fat corporate dick (like the Democrats tend to do).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't Start With President! Running for president as a party that doesn't have any senators or governors is a massive waste of money on an ego trip that normally hurts the side that people voting for them support.

Start with safe democratic states, like New York and California. Run for safe democratic mayor-ships and house seats. Once you get a couple of wins, momentum, and a bench of candidates: then try for governor or senator. Once you get more than 3 of them THEN you choose the most popular among the group and run them for president.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right now we don't have a left wing party in the US. We have a right wing party, and a right wing fascist party. As much as members of the fascist party love to shit on the Democrats for being leftists, most of them aren't actually leftist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

The fascist party calls the dems liberals, as if it describes someone who's left of center. In the rest of the world, liberal describes someone who is right wing. It seems like the rest of the world knows better on that one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We are past the soap and ballot box stages.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

We need electoral reform that implements a system where more than two parties becomes viable. Imagine splitting left-leaning voters even more than they are now. It’s guaranteed wins for Republicans.

First Past the Post must be done away with and there should instead be a coalition of voters that refuse to support ANY candidate that doesn’t make it their primary campaign policy. Once that’s done, smaller parties will organically be created and incorporated into the system.

Support organizations listed here, specifically FairVote.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We need a new system. Not a new party to add to the shitty system.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Based on how the public reacted to a dead parasite there is clearly demand for the alternative to current clown regime.

The Adjuster's hard work last week really highlighted that people are tired and ready for a change.

He has done more to galvanize the public than anyone during my life time.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Third parties don't and can't work. The system is rigged for that. Better to start an anti-ceo PAC.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Good luck, it will go nowhere

Until the wonner-takes-all system is changed you will always only have Democrats and Republicans

Of course all that depends on if there will be a democracy left after 4 years...

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