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[–] 168 points 2 years ago* (24 children)

I feel bad for AOC. She has to work with people daily that actively and vocally wish her harm and who have a rabid cult as followers. She honestly has a lot of guts to do what she does and say what she says. She is one of the few in Congress who actually deserve to be there.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Something tells me it was genuinely scarier being a bartender in the Bronx as a young, conventionally attractive woman.

    But yeah, she's got some stones.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I mean… her story about what happened on J6 is frankly pretty fucking harrowing. Don’t get me wrong - being a Bronx bartender as a young, attractive woman must be pretty damn sketchy at times, but as a singular event, especially after becoming an extremely well known and (depending on political affiliation) adored/reviled politician, I daresay this might take the cake.

    And I don’t mean to diminish her past experience of assault by saying that either. All I mean is that a relatively sudden, unexpected assault, while traumatic, has a much different mental context than knowing “there’s a group of people who have HATED me for my entire term, and they’ve broken in, and the don’t just want to relish in their power over me if they catch me, but they will want to torment me as long as possible, and they will definitely kill me, and it won’t be quick”.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    I wish she had been the democratic candidate

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Me too. She's like a Bernie 2.0. She deserves a lot of respect for standing up for what's right.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I'd vote for the two of them on a ticket

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I predict that for 2028, the DNC will insist that we run a compromise ticket. For one, AOC is a little to young, so she should be the VP pick. To balance the ticket, they'll want someone who is older and more conservative to run for the main slot. And why not someone who has actually run before, and has some experience on the presidential campaign trail?

    That's why in 2028, the centrists at the DNC will give us Duke-Occasio Cortez ticket! For the VP, we'll have AOC, and for the front runner, we'll have 1988 Democratic presidential primary candidate David Duke.

    I'm sure Chuck Schumer will endorse Duke saying, "sure we may lose some progressives. But for every progressive voter we lose in Philadelphia, we'll gain two overt white supremacist voters in the Philadelphia suburbs!"

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If they ran Waltz with AOC as VP, it would be a slam dunk.

    Hell, if Harris and Waltz had been flipped, it would have been a blowout.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't know literally anything about Waltz but is he that progressive? This is the "Israel has a right to expand its borders" guy so that's unexpected.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Doesn't really matter. The country wasn't at the point where it would have voted for a woman. The US is still extremely misogynistic, as seen by a guy who takes notes from Saudi Arabia winning the popular vote.

    Waltz has a personality that a great many people respond to well, and he's an old white dude. That seems to be the winning ticket these days.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I won't speak to his personality because again I don't know anything about him, but I don't think being a woman had much to do with Harris losing. If she was a good candidate she'd have won because her opponent was Trump; and if a man with the same positions and attitude had run they'd have lost for the same reasons she lost.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    or just hear me out here, Jimmy Carter is still alive. when trump runs in 2028, that ammendment goes out the window, so, we can, you know, run him, too, right?

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    I'll never understand why people think Trump is "less establishment". He's been a gazillionaire his whole life and backed by literally the richest man on earth. How more establishment can you get?

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    He's not part of that political elites circle, he's part of the rich kids circle. Why anyone thinks that is a substantial improvement is a mystery to me

    E: the establishment political elite is allowing business to exploit people and take in billions! We need to stop electing them, let's instead elect the people directly benefiting from those fucked up policies! I'm sure they will vote against what made them and their friends rich and feel special and better than the plebs!

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    literally the richest man on earth

    friendly reminder that Musk is not the richest man on earth.

    he's the richest man on earth dumb enough to talk about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yup, Putin is probably richer and then you've got oil royalty as well whose wealth is unknown... Tesla is worth a lot, but how much is the Saudi's oil industry worth you think?

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The responses included:

    “I feel like Trump and you are both real.”

    “I feel that you both are outsiders compared to the rest of DC, and less ‘establishment.’”

    “It’s real simple... Trump and you care for the working class.”

    “Trump is going to get us the money and let’s men have a voice. You’re brilliant and have amazing passion!”

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trump doesn't fit in with republicans because he's objectively insane and will disregard any and all rules and conventions to get what he wants.

    AOC doesn't fit in with Democrats because she's not from a rich family, seems to have actually had a minimum wage job and seems to want to actually improve the middle and lower classes lives instead of submit to corporations and collectively disregard what the voter base actually wants.

    It is so depressing people see both of these as equivalently important.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago

    Credit to AOC for doing so.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    People want someone who will reform politics, get rid of the two party system and get billionaires and corporations to pay their unfair share for decades of exploitation of workers.

    They will even give up their individual rights and vote for Trump to try and get it.

    Now is the time for AOC, Bernie, Walz and Whitmer to form the SPA (Socialist Party for America)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Issue is a 3 party system is only going to give us a far right wing party, a right wing party and a centrist party that has to vote for right wing party or the far right wing party will win. A 3rd party won't help. Election reform has to happen first. The only thing we can hope for is a progressive movement inside the democratic party. That sweeps then getting election reform. Then we can get ranked choice or whatever system .

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    The democratic party has been effectively blocking the progressive movement since the bill Clinton days.

    People have shown they are ready to vote against the establishment. Just look at how many Democrats and Independants voted for Trump.

    This 3rd party needs to go strong left and not get baited into a compromise party.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I feel like her direct communication vow is not the right deal. They need to hook into social media just like Republicans did. Door-to-door might help but not as much as they think.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    The Internet in general, but especially social media, is a cesspool of AI slop, bots, algorithm manipulation, and less exotic/high-tech forms of disinformation. How about instead of telling our politicians to meet us there we get the fuck off of it and meet each other in the streets. They can join our party if they want but we're starting it.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    God damn, people make me hate people.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    If democracy isn’t gone by then, she needs to run in 2028.

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