Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.

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[–] 314 points 2 years ago* (27 children)

I'm not upset Bernie was criticized - no one should be above a good-faith critique and ideas should be judged on merit as opposed to who says them. The reason I disagree with Pelosi is that I think Sanders made some damn good points, and if the Dems don't listen they are going to fail again.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I think the biggest issue was actually with messaging. Democrats were still pretty much relying on MSM which almost no young people watch.

    I think that beyond what Sanders says what left needs are young people, true populists (as opposed to pseudopopulists ones like MAGA has) with progressive messages.

    https://runforsomething.net/

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No, I would say an over reliance on mainstream media certainly hurts them, but their messaging still sucks. Just to go with examples Bernie provided here, how do you think the Democrats message that the economy is doing just great resonates with the 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, the 25% of elderly people who need to eke out a living on $15,000 a year or less, or the 20 million Americans working for less than $15/hour? It's a slap in the face to all of them. Messaging is not just getting the message out, but sending the right messages, and the Democrats whiffed hard on that front. They need to do some serious self-reflection and make some drastic changes to both the structure of the party and its platform if they want to do anything more than win the odd election for a single term when the GOP oversteps itself. Pelosi and the old ghouls that support her should all be kicked to the curb.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Like seriously, who do they think they’re fooling? This rhetoric of “the economy is great” doesn’t work on people who are struggling more and more every year through no fault of their own. Nobody but the super rich give a shit about quarterly profits and your definition of recession. The working class has been in “recession” for decades.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Based on his remarks, I won’t be shocked if he’s working on organizing a whole new political party that’s going to eventually supplant the Democratic Party altogether.

    And if that’s what he’s doing, and he pulls it off, it’ll be a good thing, and I’ll probably register a political affiliation other than “no party/unaffiliated” for the first time in about 14 years.

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    [–] 189 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Pelosi's attitude is a big reason why

    She believes voters work for her and need to do what she wants or she scolds them, afterwards they'll listen.

    Bernie believes the best way to get elected is to show voters you'll help them.

    One method is very effective, it's just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.

    If an elected official put the average voter first, where does that leave the wealthy?

    Not first? Completely unacceptable, Thurston get my mink we're leaving.

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  • [–] 84 points 2 years ago

    Bernie is one of the few remaining politicians in our country who are in politics as a service vs a career. I wouldn't be surprised if after every time he gets elected he consoles himself, "this'll be the last time you need to run, this is the cycle where we'll fix American politics and you can go back to your dream of opening an ice cream shop."

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    One method is very effective, it's just foreign governments, billionaires, and corporations pay a lot of money to make sure candidates like that never make it out of a primary.

    Slight disagreement. They pay a lot of money so candidates like that don't make it into a primary.

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  • [–] 143 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    The Pelosi interview is honestly batshit insane. She doesn't see the election as a rejection of the party, thinks the Democrats are doing well, Kamala Harris did everything right, Sanders is wrong, and then she made some backhanded comments about how Biden should have dropped out earlier. I know some of that is spin she that she has to say, but it's still deeply out of touch.

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  • [–] 120 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Kamala Harris did everything right

    She presented her message of 'vote for me to keep things the same' flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don't want things to stay the same.

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  • [+] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lord knows you're looking forward to watching people suffer just so you can lecture harder.

    Scolding voters into voting for someone who represents no deviation from an untenable status quo has failed, very publicly, twice. It doesn't matter how bad the opponent is. This strategy is shit. Stop using it. Learn, damn you all. Learn.

    I voted for Harris.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, if Trump pulls the stuff he said he'd pull (Tariffs and mass deportations), then the supply of goods inside the country will fall drastically, resulting in stronger inflation. Which will then result in consumption of anything nonessential to collapse. This will lead to increasing unemployment.

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  • [–] 99 points 2 years ago

    So long as she can keep trading on insider information I seriously doubt that she cares.

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  • [–] 89 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    "do you really think that the Democratic party is going to the mat… and fighting for you?"

    Forget about me, or the working class, the Democratic party doesn't actually fight for anything.

    2000 election stolen in Florida? Ho hum, oh well... we'll get 'em next time! (2004 election stolen in Ohio...)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

    https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-mysterious/

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/

    You rightly nominated a Supreme Court Justice but the Senate refuses to give them a hearing? Oh well! Guess we'll just have to win the 2016 election...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination

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    [–] 82 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Pelosi is the best example of what's wrong with Dems. Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong as they continually shoot themselves in their collective dick.

    I, for one, will be writing in his name, voting third party or not at all until they give me a genuinely progressive candidate. Until then, fuck them, and fuck this country.

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    The Republicans are doing zero for the working class other than lying to them and giving their money yo billionaires.

    Dems supported unions where Trump impugned them

    Dems forgave student loans, Republicans went to court to stop it

    Dems pushed to end noncompetes for the average worker, Republicans went to court to stop it

    Dems passed the CHIPS act to bring good paying jobs to multiple communities

    Dems passed an infrastructure bill while Trump had 100 infrastructure weeks that accomplished nothing

    Trump said he'd fire workers rather than pay them overtime

    Harris promised to investigate price gouging, Trump is supported by the oligarchy

    Etc, etc

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Which indicates that policy is secondary to messaging. On every substantive policy metric, Democrats are better than Republicans. People even say they prefer Democratic policies over Republicans' when polled, by wide margins. So it must be the messenger and the way the message is being conveyed that is losing elections. That's not to say that policies don't matter, they absolutely do, but if you've got great policies and shit messaging, then you're not going to win voters over, no matter how much better you are.

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    [–] 64 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    No Nancy. You and your DNC are wrong and that is why you lost the presidency, senate, and house.

    Fake party.

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    [–] 58 points 2 years ago

    Pelosi’s response kinda proves that the DNC is just the other side of the shit coin running the funhouse arcade game of American democracy

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Big bussiness is scared that if given the chance bernie would win and they cant risk that.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Let's not wrap it in some mysterious "big businesses" it is really oligarchs vs us, they take more and more of wealth making all of us poorer and then use media (which they control) to say it is because of minorities our lives are so shitty.

    I highly recommend On Freedom book by Timothy Snyder which talks how we are being manipulated to go against our best interest.

    I think everyone should read it and be aware as things won't improve unless we start fighting back.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Honestly call or email the Democratic party

    Do it because it will be cathartic, but don't do it expecting them to listen. Progressives need a new tack if we're actually going to save humanity from ourselves. (Spoiler, we probably won't)

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Shes nodding to the corporste over lords. She's saying:

    don't worry, we will never betray your riches kisses feet we will fight for your continued market dominance and wealth inequality

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago

    It is a rare moment when you can pinpoint issues that Bernie Sanders was on the wrong side of, even with the benefit of hindsight. Because of that, I have more faith in Bernie Sanders' wisdom than any other politician at the moment.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago

    Well I don't respect Pelosi, so I feel like we've got balance here

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm not American, and I can't vote in US elections. Bernie Sanders is one of few US political figures that I respect the opinions of.

    I don't know what Pelosi is smoking, but it has to be some good shit.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Pelosi should just gtfo and become a stock broker. She's unusually good at trading stocks for some obscure reason.

    (The reason is insider trading)

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