Google's AI may replace traditional websites and content creators leading to potential monopolization and diminishing user experience - Mrwhosetheboss

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[–] 77 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I’ve started getting those AI responses from Google now and I honestly skip right past them.

I fundamentally don’t trust the information so what’s the point of even reading it?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Have you considered not using Google?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yes, but in my experience other search engines still give slightly worse results.

    Kagi seemed good, but don’t wanna pay for it. Or at least not as much as they’re charging.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Most of this AI stuff is trash. I think Google AI has maybe once given me a useful answer. Amazon has this thing called Rufus that just slows down the process of searching customer reviews. Just like Google, it's maybe once or twice given me useful information and none of it worth the wait that it takes for the search results to come up.

    But we are pouring billions into it and increasing our data center power usage by 10x because It's The Future ..

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The problem is AI will always confidently give you an answer like its word is fact. Obviously since you're the one searching, you're most likely unable to verify its accuracy so it's impossible to trust.

    I dont mind AI being wrong when i can immediately tell when its wrong but in searches I'll never trust it

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    That's a very good point. Things like chat GPT can accelerate the process of doing something that takes time but a human knows when it's done correctly. But in anything where finding truth is the goal, it shouldn't be trusted yet.

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Maybe because the person that ran yahoo search into the ground is now responsible for Google search.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yup that's the definitive answer

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    So you posted a 17 minute video instead of a five-word sentence

    Link an article next time please!

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  • [–] [B] 36 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Sometimes I forget that google is a searching engine, I've been using DDG for years now! :)

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    Because - and this is a real thing, despite how baffling and utterly, obviously insane it is - the guy who now heads the Google search team is the very same guy who drove Yahoo search into the ground.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    This is insane. Idk what google is thinking.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Granted I’m jaded as fuck from only a decade and a half as a software engineer, but from where I’m standing, it’s pretty much all just c-suite circlejerking. Competent, incisive, effective, and ethical c-suite leadership that doesn’t focus primarily on finance matters is vanishingly rare these days.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m also a software engineer, but much earlier in my career and mostly having worked at small startups. But I hope some of the tech giants fall and make way for smaller players and innovation. But maybe that’s too optimistic.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I just received a Kagi invite from a friend.

    It's absolutely great

    Let's hope they don't look too closely at how family plans are shared for now.
    10€ + taxes a month is just too steep for me

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Mojeek is the only search engine that's truly and absolutely free from the clutches of Big Tech.

    The links are indexed from a crawler entirely built from the ground up, making it an alternative in the true sense.

    Results are ranked based on input keywords alone.

    No shady algorithmic manipulation.

    No advertisements.

    Also includes features like dark mode, location masking.

    I've been using it for months. It's an absolute delight!

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Why have I never heard of this before?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Because it's relatively new - just a year or two old.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    For the same reason it became more popular than other search engines in 00s. Those would give honest search results, Google would have various kinds of complex foolery approaching ML to give people what they wanted quicker.

    One can say their corporate culture shows signs of overfitting for that situation. And not just theirs. In general those attempts to make products more competitive with even more complex foolery outside of the main functionality - are that.

    Except when products are simply less usable for said main functionality, people use them less even if they don't consciously realize that.

    Also - what is Google in essence? It's saying that some computing thing is too smart for you to run it at home or self-host it. It can only be done by the very smart and important people in companies with trillions in capitalization. And because you can't, you are by some cultural taboo forbidden, to run it at home or self-host it, they get to manipulate results to make you give money to the people partnering with them.

    We all know there's nothing fundamentally or practically impossible in making a search engine. If we don't have to cache pages, it's actually easy.

    The issue is in the service requirements. What the Internet needs is a technically transparent p2p market of services. Where storage and computing power can be transparently donated (or sold) just like in some countries you can sell power to the electric grid.

    OK, I've described the magic wand. That's the strategy. Tactics is for someone actually capable of conceiving the thing. LOL

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The search engine magic isn't just about caching pages. It's also extremely expensive / complex to:

    • maintain an index of all the websites in the world. This is an extremely high cost
    • refresh that index in almost real time. How long will your self hosted crawler take to find new content for every website in the world?
    • there's also the algorithm for weighing results. The order of results and their relevance is not easy at all. How many times a word appears on a page is a terrible metric.

    A hosted search is also a lot more environmentally friendly - that gigantic search index and all the energy poured into the work is something that can be shared by everyone. If everyone did that themselves at home, you spend that same amount of energy for every single household.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Because Enshittification

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I've been experiencing this, but only when I'm not logged in to my Google account. It seems that they're forcing people to log in so that the search results are less shitty.

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I miss old mrwhosetheboss who was more technically knowledgeable. He was talking about android modifications like roms that he probably would never talk about today.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    For the time being at least, there are options to still use the cleaner search results. For Firefox, this post walks through how to set it up: https://lemm.ee/post/42488635/14853159

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't think there's any new info in the video.

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