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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well, antibiotic resistance is already increasing fast, because of the insane amounts of antibiotics used in meat “production”. Sure, hotter weather is helping but the groundwork is already laid.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They'll blame climate change anyway, and scream how both it and antibiotic resistance — predicted for decades — were completely unpredictable.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not just meat industry but to everyone even with a slight cold because doctors feel like they have to "do something" or the patient is unhappy and complains.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I always forget about that, you’re right. In my country, doctors are reluctant to prescribe antibiotics to humans, but we have a massive meat industry where it is applied lavishly, often illegally - there is hardly any oversight and it is a cheap way to store even more animals per square foot.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We're getting there without climate change.

Stop supporting industrial agriculture, which is a leading cause of antibiotic resistance.

Stop asking your doctor for antibiotics. You don't need it for a viral infection and they know that better than you do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

How would we not all starve without industrial agriculture? Not sure what you mean exactly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think they mean more like plant-based diets where the farmers aren't using antibiotics to cause physical growth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just because they're plants doesn't make it not industrial.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Yes, I know. They probably should have phrased it differently. Can we agree there are fewer antibiotics on the crops, though, and that is likely what they meant?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Industrial agriculture, in the United States at least, relies extremely heavily on the use of antibiotics. If there is ever a future in which that is not the case, go ahead and support industrial agriculture if you want to (I'm keeping this strictly to the antibiotic problem). But as it is now, supporting industrial agriculture is also supporting the misuse of antibiotics and the growth of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I knew crops used pesticides and stuff, why would they use antibiotics too?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would assume hes talking about livestock farming

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's not agriculture though, crops are. And crops are at least included in agriculture, even if you would expand the definition to also include animals, which I wouldn't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Animal agriculture is absolutely agriculture. That's why there's a term for it, called animal agriculture.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

We could be living in a utopia but instead we're squandering everything the generations before us have achieved all so a few greedy fucks can play king.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s annoying that the information environment is so polluted I can’t tell if that site is run by cherry-picking anti-vaxx lunatics or someone who genuinely knows their stuff. The strongest positive signal I see is that they are cautioning against “natural” antibiotics too, which demonstrates basic scientific literacy, a bar most whackos don’t clear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I agree that it can be difficult to tell if cherry-picking is happening. One thing to look for is literature reviews (which are included there), and look up the names of the experts who are cited (Martin Blaser).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Meh, we've already doomed ourselves, why not add one more cause to the pile.

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